"The" Rares List Guide - Do not ask about new UR's!

[Tempest Rain]

I was offered a Joker bun for my red cerberus. RED cerberus. I was like *whut*.

I found the trade: http://www.chickensmoothie.com/trades/v ... uWK5x56xqA

That's like me saying someone paid me a sunjewel for my '09 rare dog because they really wanted it and didn't mind paying it. Just because somebody pays an extremely high amount for a pet doesn't mean its value goes up in the economy or that it should be moved up on the list necessarily. Aside from time, rarity, availability, demand, and fluctuation, there's a bunch of other factors that really need to be considered before suggesting that a pet should be moved up or down any of the lists. That goes for everybody in general.

I wasn't implying it should be moved on the list due to a few trades, I just figured that sometime soon (within the next year or so) I can see the Cerbs moving up the list due to their repeated great demand and how limited their supply is. I didn't mean that it should be moved right away, I just wanted to see what other peoples opinions towards the Cerberus's were.

[Kevinsaurus]

I'm working to understand the gaps between list pets a bit better, is it ok if I post some guesses here for confirmation? I am trying to get my head around it all and I know that the gaps are being worked on but in the meantime I am trying to better my understanding of the Rares List and don't want to be "carrying errors" so to speak. I don't want to spam up the thread with gap discussion if you guys would rather not discuss it until after the gaps information you're planning to work on is finished and put up on the front page though.

Edit: Just leaving these here for if I want to find them again, they are Joker trades I found (not mine). Whut is this craziness, I mean really.
x x x

Those are actually pretty standard now. You need to pay a non or over a non to beat out others if you want one. Though, if you arepatient, you can get one for cheaper but not cheap by any stretch of the imagination. It hasn't been going for a sorbet for a long time.

I disagree with this. This is just like a BA argument sort of in that you can't get it for september list value anymore when you can. Yes, you can get anything for it's listed price if the pet has high demand if you're patient enough and you do some work yourself. The key point about the nons is that those values were drive primarily via auctions, and as a result of auctions, for which there is leeway to overpay significantly if you want to win a pet, the value is trying to be carried over directly to normal trades. There's a difference between trades and auctions in terms of the CS economy and in terms of the difference between what pets "go for" and what pets are "worth". Too many people are erasing this fine line and interswapping the two. I got a joker within the past couple of months for a blue sorbet straight swap, traded it away, and then later was able to trade for a joker back with this in 1-2 days tops. http://www.chickensmoothie.com/trades/v ... 4WVqa9KRnw . I've personally always had an "easy" time trading for anything for their listed value and such. It's a matter of knowing how to trade, what to do, and having the experience to get trades to work out for you in my opinion.

Edit: Solloby, you can if you want, or just PM one of us (Pid's on hiatus at the moment) and ask.

[Solloby]

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Non Jewel = Non + ??? (can't find any info on this)
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nonjewel = non + mid/high september, methinks? I've read that in several places (mostly on various versions of the FTT)

I've also been gathering some notes on rares list values, and one of them is this:

Sunjewel/UR Tiger = 5 nons (2 sources)

And what's really awkward is that a grinner = 2 mid advents, right? And a blue rose = 3 grinners, yes? So a blue rose should be 6 mid advents... but a blue rose is worth 7 mid advents (this is just one of many posts saying that) ... so shouldn't it be blue rose = 3.5 grinners? xD and also, the tess/lexi cake dogs (a tier down from the blue rose) are 6 mid advents...

Thanks, I've updated Nonjewel and added the 5 nons. I've also added more lines using that information to see what else matches up/doesn't match up regarding the highest list pets. Quite a lot doesn't add up, so some values that are floating around seem to be incorrect.

What's a mid advent? I consider the border collie line to be mid/high and the peppermint eared line to be mid, but that may not be correct. I could see the Blue Rose going for higher than 3 Grinners though.
What's a mid sept like pink sept or red rose worth? 2 Grinners? Putting Blue Rose at 4 Grinners instead of 3? Or 3.5? I'm confused now D:

[nickjr]

The border collie line is considered a "mid advent"

edit: -curses her keyboard-happy fingers for automatically tabbing and entering when she should have tabbed and alted to switch windows-

I've been gathering my notes on evernote; they might look ugly, but it's pretty handy for me :3

values for not-on-the-list pets

values for advents

values for septembers

values for below-the-gap mainlists

values for above-the-gap mainlists

I've been trying to get sources for everything I find so that eventually I can go back and see how out-of-date my information might be ^^;

(if you click inside of the tables, you can use your left/right arrow keys to move left and right without having to constantly go to the bottom to use the side-scrollbar there)

[Solloby]

The border collie line is considered a "mid advent"

I thought it used to be, but... that row is nowhere near the middle of the list, it's firmly near the top. That's why I call it mid/high personally.

But tbh we really shouldn't be using such vague terms when advising people in the fair trade threads etc, as if they aren't familiar with the Rares List, no way will they guess it to be the border collie line ^^;

I am guessing this term was coined before the list had the bunnies and lower rows added.

[nickjr]

The border collie line is considered a "mid advent"

I thought it used to be, but... that row is nowhere near the middle of the list, it's firmly near the top. That's why I call it mid/high personally.

But tbh we really shouldn't be using such vague terms when advising people in the fair trade threads etc, as if they aren't familiar with the Rares List, no way will they guess it to be the border collie line ^^;

I am guessing this term was coined before the list had the bunnies and lower rows added.

That's exactly what I was thinking; just a few days ago, someone wanted confirmation on what was considered a "mid advent" and they thought the peppermint eared snowflake dog line was a "mid advent", and when I corrected them I felt like I was saying something that was obviously wrong (like 2+2=5, that kind of wrongness D: )

edit:
completely missed this xD

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What's a mid sept like pink sept or red rose worth? 2 Grinners? Putting Blue Rose at 4 Grinners instead of 3? Or 3.5? I'm confused now D:

A red rose is worth 5 mid advents--that's a pretty firm, established value from what I've seen.

My guess would be that the striped/patchy pink septembers (a line down) are worth 4 mid advents, since a scarf pps (a line down from the pink septembers) is worth 3 mid advents, but I haven't confirmed that yet...

And also, a gray dragon (a line above the blue rose) is 8 mid advents (aka 4 grinners), and a dark leopard is 9 mid advents (aka 4.5 grinners) o.o

[DaDwarf]

Please don't use this list : / It's just a guessing at gaps and it's nowhere near accurate yet. No offense to solloby, but i don't want people going around using this gap's list while we haven't even looked over it all. I don't have time to read it now, but i don't think this should be held on this topic. Far too many people check here and will use this as a guideline, which it should not be.

As for yer 'question' Nickjr, this is why rarity math does not work lol

I'd be a little more comfortable if we took this to a different thread, because i can already feel the confusion this is going to cause to members who don't read properly (And sadly we've got allot of those on CS.)

[Solloby]

^ I hate to break it to you DaDwarf, but putting it in a separate topic will probably draw even more attention to it. When I made the Items guide, I had in big huge bold size 200 text at the top of the thread DO NOT USE THIS LIST while it was being developed, and it still got used in its draft form, including an error I had put in when I got the years mixed up.

But if you would like to put it in a separate topic that's fine with me, I did not realise there would be so much contradictory information out there - but looking at some of the valuations I've collected, some of them just don't add up. No wonder I am having such a tough time understanding the gaps!

I did not actually mean for my list to start getting so indepth, I only wanted to cover off a couple of values to tide me over until the gap stuff is included in the list, but I got a bit carried away with my research ^.^;

[Velveteen Unicorn]

The thing that confuses me about the rares list is how you would offer for pets on it. Say I had two pets on the bottom tier of the advent list, would that equal to one pet or tier two? Or is it something else? :S

From what I understand about the advent list pets, the difference between tiers is a '09 rare (usually early '09)... so for every tier up a '09 rare

[DaDwarf]

Not every gap is an 09 rare, some are just uncommons. And almost none of the gaps are an early 09 rare.

Im at the zoo so i cant dive into this now. Will explain when i get to my laptop