add-on list, regarding nov/oct 08's, discussion thread.

[lucky333123]

"also, i think it's safe to say that if it's not a very rare 09, then it probably won't be on this list. I realize that the 09 advents and things such as aussie pps's have been suggestion but i simply don't think they are rare enough to be added.
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wait, what about white Feb and shima longtail?
My personal opinion is they should be on here. They're swappable with 08s. I traded mine for an advent(thought that is most probably just luck. Still, the fact that someone would offer that..)

The shima lontail is not worth enough to be on this list, and it probably never will be. Dont forget that all staff dogs are worth the same.

Ill reply later about the camo dog thing OTL too tired now.

I agree - some staff dogs just have more demand than others, but they don't need to go on the list

[Solloby]

Just grabbing our latest draft so it's not lost:

Dark Faced October, Watermelon, Yin Yang Green Swirl, Royal Bobtail

Blue Spotted, Blue Light Stripe, Orange Light Stripe, Orange Heavy Stripe, Red Heavy Stripe, Red Spotted, Light Faced October, Pink Moon

Orange Spotted, Blue Heavy Stripe, Red Light Stripe, Brown Moon Dog, Light Faced PPS, Dark Faced PPS, Mismatched Green Swirl, Pointy Pink Pastel

Floppy Pink Pastel, Floppy Green Pastel, Royal Swirl, Queen of Hearts, King of Diamonds, King of Spades, Queen of Clubs

Blue Moon Dog, Camo Dog, 3 Tailed Pastel

Can we discuss this in parallel?

Grown White Scarf dog, Blue Snowflake Scarf dog, Fireworks PPS, Rose Rat, Dark Wood Dog, Bumblebee Spider,Malk PPS Pup, Chocolate Bun, Lilac Bun, Black Dutch Bun, Grey Dutch Bun, Spiderwing Bwolf, Ghost Cat, Purple Sleipnir, Cobweb Bun, Clockwork Bunny, Marionette Dog

My thoughts:
- Scarf dogs are only Rare, they belong on this list methinks
- Fireworks PPS turned VR with some of the advents so I think he's ok to stay on the Advent lsit
- Rose Rat turned VR before most of the septembers so should stay on the advent list? July 2010 with Purple Grinner.
- Jack O' Lantern Rat & Pink Panda (I'd say the other pandas too) should go with Rose Rat as they are the same rarity according to the rarity archives
- Dark Wood Dog turned VR with Yin Yang Green Swirl so belongs on this list
- Bumblebee Spider turned VR in Feb 2010 (listed as Racecar Spider) so should stay on the Advent List
- Malk VDay PPS turned with the 08 Advents, so should stay with them? As a PPS I think it's got the demand but am unsure, I don't see it around.
- No idea about the bunnies
- Spiderwing BFW belongs on this list
- Pumpkin BFW should go with Spiderwing, they are the same rarity, similar demand and from the same event
- Ghost Cat is as rare as Red Rose Dog, it belongs on the Advent list
- Purple Sleipnir is popular and belongs on the Advent list
- Cobweb Bunny, as a store pet, should stay on the Advent list
- Ditto for Clockwork Bun & Marionette

[lucky333123]

Just grabbing our latest draft so it's not lost:

Dark Faced October, Watermelon, Yin Yang Green Swirl, Royal Bobtail

Blue Spotted, Blue Light Stripe, Orange Light Stripe, Orange Heavy Stripe, Red Heavy Stripe, Red Spotted, Light Faced October, Pink Moon

Orange Spotted, Blue Heavy Stripe, Red Light Stripe, Brown Moon Dog, Light Faced PPS, Dark Faced PPS, Mismatched Green Swirl, Pointy Pink Pastel

Floppy Pink Pastel, Floppy Green Pastel, Royal Swirl, Queen of Hearts, King of Diamonds, King of Spades, Queen of Clubs

Blue Moon Dog, Camo Dog, 3 Tailed Pastel

Can we discuss this in parallel?

Grown White Scarf dog, Blue Snowflake Scarf dog, Fireworks PPS, Rose Rat, Dark Wood Dog, Bumblebee Spider,Malk PPS Pup, Chocolate Bun, Lilac Bun, Black Dutch Bun, Grey Dutch Bun, Spiderwing Bwolf, Ghost Cat, Purple Sleipnir, Cobweb Bun, Clockwork Bunny, Marionette Dog

My thoughts:
- Scarf dogs are only Rare, they belong on this list methinks
- Fireworks PPS turned VR with some of the advents so I think he's ok to stay on the Advent lsit
- Rose Rat turned VR before most of the septembers so should stay on the advent list? July 2010 with Purple Grinner.
- Jack O' Lantern Rat & Pink Panda (I'd say the other pandas too) should go with Rose Rat as they are the same rarity according to the rarity archives
- Dark Wood Dog turned VR with Yin Yang Green Swirl so belongs on this list
- Bumblebee Spider turned VR in Feb 2010 (listed as Racecar Spider) so should stay on the Advent List
- Malk VDay PPS turned with the 08 Advents, so should stay with them? As a PPS I think it's got the demand but am unsure, I don't see it around.
- No idea about the bunnies
- Spiderwing BFW belongs on this list
- Pumpkin BFW should go with Spiderwing, they are the same rarity, similar demand and from the same event
- Ghost Cat is as rare as Red Rose Dog, it belongs on the Advent list
- Purple Sleipnir is popular and belongs on the Advent list
- Cobweb Bunny, as a store pet, should stay on the Advent list
- Ditto for Clockwork Bun & Marionette

My thoughts:

Scarf dog on this list (white scarf one tier higher than blue due to demand)
Firework PPS is fine on Advent list
Rose Rat I think should be put on this list because nobody seems to want it (or not that I have noticed)
Jack O' Lantern Rat & Pink Panda (same as Rose Rat)
Dark Wood Dog is good on advent list
Bumblebee Spider is good on advent list
Malk VDay PPS is good I believe - it has some nice demand - not the greatest but not the worst
Chocolate Bun, Lilac Bun, Black Dutch Bun, Grey Dutch Bun - I haven't seen much of these advents(?)
Spiderwing BTW and the Pumpkin BTW should go on this list (near the bottom? They don't seem to have any demand)
Ghost Cat has very high demand so it should stay
Clockwork Bun & Marionette have very good demand so they should stay
Cobweb Bun has some demand so it should stay
Purple Sleipnir is wanted so it should stay

[DaDwarf]

Anything moved down from the rareslist to this list should go on the top 3 tires. Lower the that wont do it any good lul.

Again, posting more when less tired/on laptop.

[Leopardy]

So, if this is going a list for the 08 / 09 ´s... I think here should some demanded rares also listed. Of course not that high like the VR´s and 08´s but still.
I always the thought the Aussie´s, the Rainbow Litter, the February Colours Litter and the Soxics have decent demand..if this is something that involves both...than yeah, I don´t see something against that xD The Shima-Longtail (+ the other Staffdogs from 09) could be placed the same with the Soxics.
Sorry, I didn´t read the whole 14 pages, if this was already mentioned^^"

Also...am I just blind or the brown October Moon not listed in the 08 Draft? xD I always saw him as rare as his red Littermate oo"

[semi:hiatus]

"also, i think it's safe to say that if it's not a very rare 09, then it probably won't be on this list. I realize that the 09 advents and things such as aussie pps's have been suggestion but i simply don't think they are rare enough to be added.
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wait, what about white Feb and shima longtail?
My personal opinion is they should be on here. They're swappable with 08s. I traded mine for an advent(thought that is most probably just luck. Still, the fact that someone would offer that..)

The shima lontail is not worth enough to be on this list, and it probably never will be. Dont forget that all staff dogs are worth the same.

Ill reply later about the camo dog thing OTL too tired now.

I agree - some staff dogs just have more demand than others, but they don't need to go on the list

So?
They're perfectly swappable with 08 rares.
demand does matter too c:

[Solloby]

According to Nick there are around 350 Very Rare pets on the site.

So 350 different pets that are harder to get than the rares like the soxics, shima longtail and high demand early 09s like the Aussies. Now some of them will be low enough demand that a good 09 rare will grab them for, but aside from the 08s, all of which aren't even making this list (ie. star royal), I think we should restrict it to VRs only. The others are just too easy to find by comparison.

This isn't the full VR list; this is the "best of the VRs not already on the rares list" list, no?

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Regarding Shima Longtail: The main reason it's been going for advents is because people got all hyped up about it for some reason and did what they did with the July & August lions - they overpaid severely and the only way to get back what they paid is to pass on the overpayment.

Shima Longtail is ridiculously common. You see it everywhere. It is not worth a valuable VR, there are simply too many around. It only turned rare in April 2012. This rat is rarer than it:

Heck this 2012 dog turned rare before it:

With Nick's rarity adjustment I'm guessing that will have changed now, but what this does tell us is that there were more Shima Longtails released in the mass staff litter than Gold PPS dogs released in the magpie litter.

[DaDwarf]

no - a shima longtail is worth an early 09 rare with demand. People just overpay insanely. You can compare the shima to the BA or the joker. Adding it to this list will make people have to pay septembers/even more.

People who pay advents for shima's have no patience and can't wait to find the right trading partner. Shima's are still traded fairly, in fact..i have 3 and got them all for no more then an 09 rare. I never overpaid and i never will. There's still people out there who trade their shima's fairly, without trying to rip off other people.

The problem with the shima (And the augustlion/ba/joker) is that people overpay for it..say advent+ and then want something equal or more in value for it in return. And that's why the 'demand' is so high. People are greedy and try to get a better offer then what they paid. It's not true demand, it's just people wanting to get rich off a CS hype ^^.

[lucky333123]

According to Nick there are around 350 Very Rare pets on the site.

So 350 different pets that are harder to get than the rares like the soxics, shima longtail and high demand early 09s like the Aussies. Now some of them will be low enough demand that a good 09 rare will grab them for, but aside from the 08s, all of which aren't even making this list (ie. star royal), I think we should restrict it to VRs only. The others are just too easy to find by comparison.

This isn't the full VR list; this is the "best of the VRs not already on the rares list" list, no?

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Regarding Shima Longtail: The main reason it's been going for advents is because people got all hyped up about it for some reason and did what they did with the July & August lions - they overpaid severely and the only way to get back what they paid is to pass on the overpayment.

Shima Longtail is ridiculously common. You see it everywhere. It is not worth a valuable VR, there are simply too many around. It only turned rare in April 2012. This rat is rarer than it:

Heck this 2012 dog turned rare before it:

With Nick's rarity adjustment I'm guessing that will have changed now, but what this does tell us is that there were more Shima Longtails released in the mass staff litter than Gold PPS dogs released in the magpie litter.

I see what you mean Solloby - I think mainly VR's except for maybe a few R's that are worthy of being on this list, but the list should be focused on VR's

[hellhunt]

Rose Rat I think should be put on this list because nobody seems to want it (or not that I have noticed)
Jack O' Lantern Rat & Pink Panda (same as Rose Rat)

If those rats really turned with Septembers, I really object moving them on new list. Being low advents would be taking their terrible demand in account, moving them on new list would be doing injustice to them