Camorra wrote:The roles of wolves in the ecosystem is very important. They are keystone species and we need them. They maintain biodiversity. If you shoot all the wolves in a certain area, because you want the elk population to rise, you're just going to screw everything up. With no wolves, the elk won't be scared and they will become like... well, cattle. And with too much elk, they overgraze and kill willow trees, and birds live in those willow trees, plus, no shade from the trees by rivers will kill fish who depend on shade in the water, etc. See where I'm going with this? If there is a healthy balance, there is no need to kill all the wolves in the area. Instead of killing them, why don't we maintain their levels? I understand some places may not clear the entire area of them, I'm not sure, but where I live, there is actually a bounty on the wolves. Just in my province. A bounty. $300 per wolf shot. Why? Because the wolves are killing livestock. But, in my province, only 1% of livestock have actually been killed by wolves. And our tax dollars are going to pay these hunters for killing the wolves. Ugh, it disgusts me. Hopefully, this dumb bounty will be stopped soon. I signed four petitions and I'm waiting for October 15th for a meeting on the bounty because there are quite a few angry people. And they aren't even very many wolves in Canada.
*BluePawprints* wrote:wolves need to come to aus theyre magnificent creatures and we got to many rabbits and its not like its already dangerous to go walking thru the forest
Camorra wrote:The roles of wolves in the ecosystem is very important. They are keystone species and we need them. They maintain biodiversity. If you shoot all the wolves in a certain area, because you want the elk population to rise, you're just going to screw everything up. With no wolves, the elk won't be scared and they will become like... well, cattle. And with too much elk, they overgraze and kill willow trees, and birds live in those willow trees, plus, no shade from the trees by rivers will kill fish who depend on shade in the water, etc. See where I'm going with this? If there is a healthy balance, there is no need to kill all the wolves in the area. Instead of killing them, why don't we maintain their levels? I understand some places may not clear the entire area of them, I'm not sure, but where I live, there is actually a bounty on the wolves. Just in my province. A bounty. $300 per wolf shot. Why? Because the wolves are killing livestock. But, in my province, only 1% of livestock have actually been killed by wolves. And our tax dollars are going to pay these hunters for killing the wolves. Ugh, it disgusts me. Hopefully, this dumb bounty will be stopped soon. I signed four petitions and I'm waiting for October 15th for a meeting on the bounty because there are quite a few angry people. And they aren't even very many wolves in Canada.
Van wrote:Wazaiyata wrote:i couldn't agree more ren<3
wolves will starve because we refuse to let them eat. We are 1 billion times more populated than them, and we don't starve. that's is because we hold our own murder houses for our food and money. wolves don't get that gift in life. If they kill a cow, people over-react and kill several packs because they were hungry from us taking their food and land away. We won't even let them kill their natural prey, which is really sad. We kill them because they kill the elk, so that we can kill the elk. quite selfish, aren't we? WE are what's causing them to starve, not their population.How do you know the wolves were hungry? I mean, sure, they have to eat too, but a lot of the time wolves don't kill livestock because they're hungry, they kill because they have found slow, easy to kill prey and will take the opportunity to kill all they can – that’s when surplus killing comes into play, and if the farmer/rancher/whatever you want to call it can’t deter the wolves from coming back again and again, they have to kill them.
And not all people who kill wolves or other animals to protect their animals are doing it just so that they can make a profit. A lot off the time it’s just people killing the animals to protect their beloved pets, not their source of money.
And to call the killing of animals ‘murder’, yet support this ‘murder’ by buying meat makes little sense to me. If you think it’s wrong to kill an animal, become a vegetarian. No offense, bro.
And there's plenty of people that starve, simply because they can't afford food. Wolves aren't the only ones that suffer because of overpopulation/when they reach their carrying capacity.
Renn. wrote:Van wrote:Wazaiyata wrote:i couldn't agree more ren<3
wolves will starve because we refuse to let them eat. We are 1 billion times more populated than them, and we don't starve. that's is because we hold our own murder houses for our food and money. wolves don't get that gift in life. If they kill a cow, people over-react and kill several packs because they were hungry from us taking their food and land away. We won't even let them kill their natural prey, which is really sad. We kill them because they kill the elk, so that we can kill the elk. quite selfish, aren't we? WE are what's causing them to starve, not their population.How do you know the wolves were hungry? I mean, sure, they have to eat too, but a lot of the time wolves don't kill livestock because they're hungry, they kill because they have found slow, easy to kill prey and will take the opportunity to kill all they can – that’s when surplus killing comes into play, and if the farmer/rancher/whatever you want to call it can’t deter the wolves from coming back again and again, they have to kill them.
And not all people who kill wolves or other animals to protect their animals are doing it just so that they can make a profit. A lot off the time it’s just people killing the animals to protect their beloved pets, not their source of money.
And to call the killing of animals ‘murder’, yet support this ‘murder’ by buying meat makes little sense to me. If you think it’s wrong to kill an animal, become a vegetarian. No offense, bro.
And there's plenty of people that starve, simply because they can't afford food. Wolves aren't the only ones that suffer because of overpopulation/when they reach their carrying capacity.
Maybe they are hungry. You guys have said they starv. And with the 'surplus killing'. That may or may not be true, but: If we see a good deal on meat, food, ets. we will buy a lot. Not knowing animals had to die a slow painful death. And how do you know he/she is not already a vegetarian? I am a vegan.
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