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Re: We've updated our pet rarity measurements!

Postby Bartimaeus » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:17 am

Tess wrote:
~ t r o u b l e ~ wrote:
Toki&Bel wrote:
No one is complaining about the new rarity changes, they were necessary and everyone believes that c;

it's just the new bars that make new users think that if both says rare, it would be an equal swap - which is a big headache for someone like us that gets trades very frequently x.x

and window is partly true, this doesn't suddenly make new users become educated about rarities and demand ^^;
but it still helps other users that might be more use to Chickensmoothie c:

    I agree that the new bars are causing more bad then good.
    I wish we could turn them off ene

I don't see how the bars are any different to a text display of the rarity, users had the same problem before with thinking that uncommon = uncommon, rare = rare

The problem I have is that they're ugly and too bright. :c In my opinion. I would rather have text personally? Can we please have an option to switch them off Tess? c;
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Re: We've updated our pet rarity measurements!

Postby The Winter Soldier » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:17 am

lawl tess is right regardless the problem was still gonna be there so i guess we shouldjust deal with it and O3O squiddies XD.
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Re: We've updated our pet rarity measurements!

Postby Shian » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:17 am

amandasourlemon wrote:
Have you and Tess ever though about doing an account cleaning?? Like any accounts that haven't been logged on in a year or two, all the pets go tot he pound, and that account gets deleted?


This will never happen. People use CS pets offsite.

If it matters, I like the colorful bars. I'm not sure why people are saying they are not pretty. n.n Maybe my laptop has more muted colors?
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Re: We've updated our pet rarity measurements!

Postby -Amaterasu- » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:18 am

Am I the only one who can't add any more pets in a trade now? O.o There's no more "Add this pet" on my side. But I can still add pets on my partner's side.
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Re: We've updated our pet rarity measurements!

Postby Tess » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:18 am

amandasourlemon wrote:
Have you and Tess ever though about doing an account cleaning?? Like any accounts that haven't been logged on in a year or two, all the pets go tot he pound, and that account gets deleted?

no, we don't plan to delete accounts that have pets on them. We are contacted frequently by users who decided to return to CS after not playing for years and it would be very upsetting for them to find that we'd emptied out their accounts.

This is why the new rarity system ignores those old inactive accounts because those pets are currently not in the trading population. But if they come back then their pets will be counted again.
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Re: We've updated our pet rarity measurements!

Postby NinthWolf » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:18 am

i have to agree with tess on that one.
i think the bars help further than the text because the bar takes into account the demand and the rarity.
Amanda- this has been discussed and will not be done i think on the most part because some very inactive users do come back.
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Re: We've updated our pet rarity measurements!

Postby Lycanthia » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:19 am

It looks so cool ^_^
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Re: We've updated our pet rarity measurements!

Postby swoomzie » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:20 am

I just got on today and the bars made me so dizzy *.* I was confused when some rares turned uncommon and it turned my brain into a dizzy mess. What just happen?
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Re: We've updated our pet rarity measurements!

Postby Anouki » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:20 am

TheNinthWolf wrote:i have to agree with tess on that one.
i think the bars help further than the text because the bar takes into account the demand and the rarity.
Amanda- this has been discussed and will not be done i think on the most part because some very inactive users do come back.


How do the bars take into the demand? I don't understand that part.
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Re: We've updated our pet rarity measurements!

Postby DragonGirl218 » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:21 am

I must say, after reading 50+ pages (i posted somewhere under the 10-page mark last night at, like, 2 in the morning XD ) I'm starting to better understand how things will change.

When it comes to pets with the same rarity, dates and demand will be the major factor in trade fairness. I know people have brought up the idea of "Would you trade your Vixen Advent for a random '09 VR (i think) ?" The simple answer is "No." Why? Primarily because the Vixen has much more demand, which is why it's on the Rares List. I mean, the RL is basically just a rarity/demand hybrid chart for the top x number of pets. So demand is still a factor.
As are dates, but not to the same degree. It's no longer "Oh my '08 Uncommon is worth way more than your '10 Uncommon because a lot of them aren't available for trade." Now it's more along the lines of "Oh my '08 Uncommon is more worth holding onto than your '10 Uncommon because it has a better chance of turning Rare as more people join and accounts that have them go inactive." There's still a difference between two pets of the same rarity, but at least now that difference is more closely based on numbers than just "My pet's older, therefore it's instantly worth way more than anything newer."

Also, now that inactive pets/accounts aren't counted, inter-rarity trades should be easier. Let's say there are two pets, neither of which are Rares List and which both have roughly the same demand as well as the same species, so that all that could be used to judge fairness (aside from personal preference) is date and rarity. Now let's say that one is an '09 Uncommon while the other is a '12 Rare. In the past, people could say that the '09 UC was more valuable just because it was older, pets were on inactive accounts, etc. Now that those aren't factors any more, it's clear that the '12 Rare truly is more rare (going strictly by numbers, of course). Admittedly, they could both be close to the Rare threshold and it's only a slight difference -- but there is a clear difference now, without quite as much guesstimating of how rare the '09 UC actually is.

Or, at least, I believe that's how it works, if I'm understanding things correctly. Anyone with more knowledge on the matter, feel free to correct me.

As a side-note, to those complaining about "losing Rares" : There's still the same number of individual pets on the site as there were before. And keep in mind...it's not just your pets that dropped; a lot of them did. Sure you may have a lot of C, VC, and OMGSC pets now, but a lot more of them will be introduced in the months and years to come. It's like being mad that now you have more exact change to buy stuff with when you can't get change back (if that makes any sense...basically, it's easier to pay a pet's exact worth now).

The system doesn't instantly make trading perfectly fair, but nothing ever will be perfect when you're talking about something that requires human input. The best we can get is "Well, it's more accurate than it was", which is what we have. And now that an automated rarity-updating system is in place, it should hopefully be easier for things to be tweaked in the future if need be.

I like this update. I really do. Though, I do agree that perhaps there should be an option to turn the rarity bar on/off. Maybe even add a third option where the bar's gone but the rarity-tag becomes color-coded like the bar -- it would be less distracting for people who have an issue with the bar, but it would still have the color to make it more difficult to confuse similar-looking rarities if one isn't paying attention/is sleepy/whatever. Also, seeing rarities in groups would be awesome -- I don't care too much about my pets' rarities, but it would be nice to see them at a glance if I'm just curious.

(dang, this turned out a lot longer than i thought...feel free to ignore my rambling, just posting my two cents now that i'm more awake and informed than earlier ^.^;; )
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