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Re: The Rat Lovers Club!

Postby shadow.wolfdog » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:31 pm

It's not just PetSmart, it's all pet stores in general. Rats from pet stores are almost always sickly and may not always live long after you get them. This is because all pet store rats come from rodent mills, where lots and lots of rats are crammed into tiny spaces and no regard is given to their health, because the vast majority of these rats are intended to be snake food. However, the rats actually sold as pets come from the exact same place - the dumbo rats they sell as pets and the regular rats in the feeder tanks are the exact same species, and often, they're littermates.

For anyone wanting another rat, I do advocate checking with local animal rescues and shelters, and see if there's even a rat rescue in your area. If not, look for local breeders. Their rats will be a little more expensive, but well worth it. Breeders breed for health, longevity, color, variety, and temperament. I'd choose the pet store as a last result, as is my case. My local rat rescue never gets rats in and there's no nearby breeders, so all of my girls have come from the pet store. Four out of six of them were from feeder tanks. Even one of the others is sick, in fact, she's my sickest, because she was kept in pine shavings.

Most rat owners will shun those who buy rats from pet stores. They're always like, "you're supporting the rodent mill industry!" And no, we aren't. Snake owners are supporting the rodent mill industry. Probably 99% of rats bought from pet stores are snake food. Those who buy pet store rats as pets when compared to those who buy them for snake food basically are no part of the support for rodent mills. All you're doing by buying from a pet store is saving an innocent little life who would otherwise never get to grow up. I'm quite proud of rescuing my four feeder girls.

So if you go to PetSmart, or wherever else, to buy pet rats, it might be a better idea to get rats from the pet bin, if possible. The feeder rats tend to have two problems. One, they may not be as healthy, since no one in the store cares for the feeder rats' health, as they're only intended for snake food. Therefore, they crowd lots of them into aquariums, sometimes so many that some rats can't touch their feet to the bottom, and this causes the tank to get really dirty and the smell of ammonia can make the rats sick. Two, feeder rats are never held or socialized and can be almost impossible to tame - one of my feeder girls has lived with me for eleven months and she's still as wild as she was when I got her. Oh, and female feeder rats are often pregnant, as they can get pregnant at five weeks and the males and females are almost always kept together.

By the way, your rat isn't having nosebleeds. Rats produce something called porphyrin, a reddish substance that appears around their eyes and/or nose when they are sick, or stressed. Some rats produce it as they wake up. As long as your rat isn't losing weight or sneezing, the porphyrin is nothing to worry about. I don't think the heat would cause something like that, since it's over 100 degrees Fahrenheit here almost every day and it has no such effect on my rats. Sounds like your ratty is sick, unfortunately. How is he behaving? Has he been scratching or shaking? Can you hear a wheezing or quacking sound coming from him? When he sneezes, is there anything coming out of his nose, besides porphyrin?
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Re: The Rat Lovers Club!

Postby Khefri-Sun » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:19 am

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Re: The Rat Lovers Club!

Postby Hyazihr » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:28 am

Omg! They are like, fighting but it's so cute!
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Re: The Rat Lovers Club!

Postby Khefri-Sun » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:29 am

dragonclaw/jessica wrote:Omg! They are like, fighting but it's so cute!

    It didn't look like they were hurting each other so I thought it was okay, ^-^
    It looked kind of like when girls have "cat fights" on TV haha, xD
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Re: The Rat Lovers Club!

Postby Hyazihr » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:18 am

I know they weren't hurting each other, but it's still fighting >_<
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Re: The Rat Lovers Club!

Postby LadyLunatic » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:46 am

Khefri-Sun wrote:
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a class mate showed that to me during study-hall, and i just went *awwwww* and died from the cuteness! i see my boys do that sometimes.
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Re: The Rat Lovers Club!

Postby iHolli » Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:53 am

Tuesday wrote:
It's not just PetSmart, it's all pet stores in general. Rats from pet stores are almost always sickly and may not always live long after you get them. This is because all pet store rats come from rodent mills, where lots and lots of rats are crammed into tiny spaces and no regard is given to their health, because the vast majority of these rats are intended to be snake food. However, the rats actually sold as pets come from the exact same place - the dumbo rats they sell as pets and the regular rats in the feeder tanks are the exact same species, and often, they're littermates.

For anyone wanting another rat, I do advocate checking with local animal rescues and shelters, and see if there's even a rat rescue in your area. If not, look for local breeders. Their rats will be a little more expensive, but well worth it. Breeders breed for health, longevity, color, variety, and temperament. I'd choose the pet store as a last result, as is my case. My local rat rescue never gets rats in and there's no nearby breeders, so all of my girls have come from the pet store. Four out of six of them were from feeder tanks. Even one of the others is sick, in fact, she's my sickest, because she was kept in pine shavings.

Most rat owners will shun those who buy rats from pet stores. They're always like, "you're supporting the rodent mill industry!" And no, we aren't. Snake owners are supporting the rodent mill industry. Probably 99% of rats bought from pet stores are snake food. Those who buy pet store rats as pets when compared to those who buy them for snake food basically are no part of the support for rodent mills. All you're doing by buying from a pet store is saving an innocent little life who would otherwise never get to grow up. I'm quite proud of rescuing my four feeder girls.

So if you go to PetSmart, or wherever else, to buy pet rats, it might be a better idea to get rats from the pet bin, if possible. The feeder rats tend to have two problems. One, they may not be as healthy, since no one in the store cares for the feeder rats' health, as they're only intended for snake food. Therefore, they crowd lots of them into aquariums, sometimes so many that some rats can't touch their feet to the bottom, and this causes the tank to get really dirty and the smell of ammonia can make the rats sick. Two, feeder rats are never held or socialized and can be almost impossible to tame - one of my feeder girls has lived with me for eleven months and she's still as wild as she was when I got her. Oh, and female feeder rats are often pregnant, as they can get pregnant at five weeks and the males and females are almost always kept together.

By the way, your rat isn't having nosebleeds. Rats produce something called porphyrin, a reddish substance that appears around their eyes and/or nose when they are sick, or stressed. Some rats produce it as they wake up. As long as your rat isn't losing weight or sneezing, the porphyrin is nothing to worry about. I don't think the heat would cause something like that, since it's over 100 degrees Fahrenheit here almost every day and it has no such effect on my rats. Sounds like your ratty is sick, unfortunately. How is he behaving? Has he been scratching or shaking? Can you hear a wheezing or quacking sound coming from him? When he sneezes, is there anything coming out of his nose, besides porphyrin?


{Oh wow. That's a lot to take in, but it all make perfect sense. The info helps, quite a lot.}
{Remy doesn't seem sick... he hasn't sneezed since yesterday, and he's always alert and is right there with Bowser when I let them out of the cage - he's usually the first one out, actually. He is a lot quieter and calmer than Bowser, though... Bowser is really hyper, but when I have Remy, he just sits on my shoulder. But his droppings are completely normal, and he's usually very active. He eats quite well too - he is such a little hoarder, though x3 He likes to take as much food as he can possibly stuff in his mouth and take it somewhere in the cage to eat it, and will come back to the bowl for extra helpings, whether he's eaten what he had already or not.}
{But no, he doesn't seem sick at all.}


Khefri-Sun wrote:
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{That looks like what my boys do x3 They have their little fights, but they don't actually hurt each other. Bowser always goes after Remy, but he pins Bowser down and grooms him x3 I've seen them do the above clip once or twice, though. But they don't hurt each other. Bowser just doesn't like getting pinned down... you'd think he would get the point x3}

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Re: The Rat Lovers Club!

Postby -PLEASE DELETE- » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:07 am

To the whole pet store thing. I get my rats from a small pet shop up the street from me. My friend and her family own it. Her rats do not come from a mill. She breeds her rats and that's who they get their rats. She has gotten all the rats she owns from a rat breeder. Before they even think of selling the babies they take them to the vet and get them whatever they need. They never sell sick animals and every animal in the store is handled daily. So the whole "Never adopt from a store" is a stereotype. You just gotta make sure you ask a lot of questions to the store workers,owners, and managers. Although I must say petsmart and Petco are never good places to get a rat. I got my first rat for free from petco. They claimed to rat was male and that it was rather sick. But in reality it was female and it wasn't sick she was under fed. So petco and petsmart are bad places to get rats. But not every store is.
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Re: The Rat Lovers Club!

Postby shadow.wolfdog » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:12 am

I'm sure it's different with small, family-owned pet stores, but every big, chain pet store does get from rodent mills. PetCo., PetSmart, Petland, etc.
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Re: The Rat Lovers Club!

Postby -PLEASE DELETE- » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:16 am

I know I said I agreed with the petco and petsmart thing. It's just not every store does it.
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