My Little Pony: Hearts of Ice. (Looking for players!)

[Dr. Paine]

Warning! This roleplay contains mild grimdark elements (war, death, physical violence, etc) and an alternate/fanmade canon for My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. While there's nothing graphic, and certainly not nothing along the lines of 'Cupcakes', this isn't all rainbows and sunshine, there's going to be serious misery. This is just a warning to anyone looking to join this, in case you like your ponies pure and happy. Nothing wrong with that of course, this just just doesn't have the happiest of plots and I don't want anyone saying they weren't warned!



It was beautiful. Truly, utterly beautiful. Order finally removed, allowing the brilliance of chaos to shine through. Day and night coming and going of their own accord, the land moving as it willed, growing as it pleased. Or didn't. Laws of nature removed, allowing the impossible to be as easy and natural as breathing. My gift to the world, and what a gift it was! Endless food and drink, the gift of flight to the wingless... why, even the feeble and elderly could dance and caper about like young fillies again.

And I? Why, I just enjoyed it. Being a statue for a thousand years or more puts a new perspective on things. I simply let my magic loose on the world, and once I had taken care of that little pest problem, I let it do as it wished, while I enjoyed being free.

Ah, but you all know the story after that. They broke my spell. Sealed me away once again, and I sit in the Canterlot sculpture garden once more. This attack however, was... incomplete. See, that's the beauty of the Elements. So very powerful, but even one weak link, and they are only half as strong. Even if it was barely a crack in the chain, it was enough. I am not utterly powerless! I can still think, I can plan. I can even extend some small magic into the world.

Of course, I know better than to try and directly break the Elements again. No, I learned my lesson then, and besides, it's far beyond my current power. But I can do something. I can... create. I can bring back things ponies believe only to be a myth, thought gone since before even my time!

And then? Why, I haven't thought that far ahead. It's never as much fun... we'll just wait and see.



Discord is little more than a memory to Equestria, his brief reign just another story to tell young colts and fillies during Nightmare Night. Even Celestia and Luna have begun to relax, no longer posting a guard to watch the statue every day. Even if they still kept one there though, they would never know what went on within the statue.

A god can never be killed, never truly removed from existence. At best, all one can do is force him to sleep, and in sleep, gods can dream. In his imprisonment, Discord dreams of terrible things. He no longer thinks of simply overthrowing Celestia and the Elements; he'd given them their chance. Now, he dreams of a world at war, tearing itself apart only to be cloaked in ice, ripe for destruction and rebirth as he sees fit.

The idea came to him on Heart's Warming Eve, when the howling wind sparked a long-forgotten memory to life. Beasts of wind and ice, things even he wasn't sure existed, but that was when he was alive and had to keep his attention divided between a thousand things. This time he could be patient. He reached out to these creatures, finding that they too were forced to the fringes of existence, kept alive only by the occasional feud between ponies, not enough to sustain them for much longer. So a deal was hatched- in return for allowing the Windigoes to return to power, they would obey Discord.

That night, using the magic he still had, Discord gave the Windigoes the power to possess living ponies. Not just any ponies, only those bound by fear, who harbored grudges and refused to forgive. It was these cracks that allowed the Windigoes to slip in, and slowly eat away at a pony's mind and sanity until they became as cold and heartless as a Windigo themselves.

To the rest of the world, they might appear unchanged; maybe a bit less vibrant than usual, a bit quicker to snap and fall into argument. As time goes on though, they become... corrupted. Incapable of kindness, laughter, loyalty, generosity or honesty. Pegasi find flight difficult, earth ponies find the ground seems to frost underneath their hooves, unicorns lose their magic. If it becomes worse, even their very cutie marks begin to fade; or in the case of very young possessed ponies, never appear at all.

Worse still... some say the Princesses have been acting oddly. Luna has left Canterlot entirely, while Celestia locks herself in her chambers unless there are duties she must attend to. And the sun, bright as ever, does not seem to shine as warmly over Equestria.

Plot:

With the help of Discord, a number of Windigoes have taken over the body of various ponies- including at least one of the Elements of Harmony and one of the Princesses. Rather than simply feeding off of hatred, they now create it by making a pony lose his or her very sanity. They do this by preying on some specific flaw- a major fear, a grudge they refuse to let go of, or some past failing they can't forgive themselves for, until they begin taking it out on others and losing sight of who they truly were.

They also use their new forms to spread rumors of Celestia being a tyrant and a liar, rumors that she sealed Luna away for trying to set up a new democratic regime, rather than trying to take full control as the most-known story goes. Through this, they hope to spark an all-out war between those who support one sister or the other, until Discord can emerge and strike down whatever survivors there may be.

As I've been revising this, I've hit on a way to help ensure we reach the major plot points, as well as have plenty of smaller stuff in the middle. Think of the plot points outlined here as the beginnings/ends to a season, with any mini-plots being along the lines of the episodes of the show- largely self-contained, but with enough referencing of things in the past/foreshadowing to remain connected. For ease of tracking, the current major and minor plot points will be listed under 'Current Events'.

Major plot points:

• Luna arrives in Ponyville, personality changes begin to crop up in affected ponies.
• Celestia begins imposing harsher laws to quell dissent that has appeared.
• Luna begins gathering forces, sensing an approaching conflict with Celestia, not wanting to be caught unaware or unprepared.
• War begins between the Solar Empire and the Lunar Republic.
• Discord.
• ? Well, I don't know how it might end, myself. There's a few ways it can go.

I'm aware this might not have come out quite as I intended, but you're welcome to ask any questions ^^ And of course, members are always welcome to PM me with thoughts on mini-plots.



Rules:

• No Godmodding, Powerplaying, or Sues/Stus of any form. While I'm allowing for more tragic backstories on OCs, don't go overboard. Keep language the level it is in the show- i.e. no actual swearing, period. (However, 'swears' as used in the show- hay, horseapples, (pony)feathers- are completely fine). Romance and violence should also be kept at PG-13 or lower.
  
• Literate. This means I expect you to have have at least one good, 4-6 sentence paragraph per character whenever you post. Proper spelling and grammar is also a requirement.
  
• No machine gun posting- make sure everyone gets chance to post, and do NOT go past one page without me.
  
• Character sheets must be approved before play. And please, people, I expect to see some effort put into your characters! Give them flaws, give them strengths, give them actual personalities! If you play any of the mane 6, really get into character! Nothing saddens me more than an OC that's just a name, picture and vague talent that only ever gives one or two lines every post, give your characters room and reason to grow!
  
• Currently, every member is limited to three characters. This may increase or decrease as we go.
  
• As mentioned above, Windigo possessed ponies may lose or never even earn their Cutie Marks. However, if a possessed character responds to friendship offered by others, and/or overcomes their fear/grudge/whatever allowed the Windigo to take hold in the first place, they can break the creature's hold. In a young pony, this can result in them earning a cutie mark; in adult ones that lost theirs, they regain it (though it may be slightly different than before).
  
• If you wish to play as Princess Celestia... First, you have to prove that you can play her, in the 'sample' section of the form. Second, you need to be highly literate. This means consistently long posts, a good attention to detail and how the plot is going, and of course, proper spelling and grammar. Third, Celestia is possessed, and will start becoming a tyrant as the game goes on. It won't be immediate, I'll mostly leave it up to you on how it goes through, but I may PM you to either increase or decrease it. Sorry if this seems strict, but as Celestia is a massively plot-important character, I want to ensure she is played well xD Celestia will not count to the three-character limit, as until about the middle of the rp, she's little more than a glorified NPC, but she will be extremely active later on.
  
• Rules are subject to change, but this should be the bulk of it. Again, if there are any questions, just ask.

Character sheets:

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[center][size=88][b]Username:[/b]
[b]Character Name:[/b]
[b]Age:[/b] (Foal, young adult *mane 6*, adult *around the age of the Cakes*, elderly)
[b]Gender:[/b]
[b]Species:[/b] (Note: Luna and Celestia are the ONLY alicorns allowed. Any other alicorns will immediately get the Sue stamp and be denied. I apologize, but having only ever seen one good alicorn OC, I'm playing it safe.)
[b]Appearance:[/b] (Pictures are allowed, but they MUST be linked and supplemented with a written description. You're also welcome to give completely written descriptions.)
[b]Cutie Mark/Special Talent:[/b] (leave blank on foals)
[b]Personality:[/b] (Please include if they are possessed or not here.)
[b]History:[/b] (in the case of any main characters, this can be left blank/'shown in the show'. For background characters like Derpy, Lyra, etc, they require at least a paragraph (preferably more) of history, as do all OCs.)
[b]Pet:[/b] (Entirely optional, not every pony will or should have a pet. PLEASE, keep animals limited to reasonable, seen-in-show creatures (e.g. dogs, cats, frogs... phoenixes will be a case by case basis, you better have a good reason for it other than 'it's cool/pony earned its loyalty/Celestia has one so why shouldn't I!')
[b]Other:[/b] (Anything that doesn't fit above.)
[b]Sample:[/b] (Only applies if you wish to play one of the mane six, Spike, or Celestia. Please give me a 2-4 paragraph showing your ability to play the character, so I can ensure we get people who actually keep true to the characters.)[/size]

[Dr. Paine]

Locations:

Ponyville.
A small but busy town, Ponyville always seems to have something going on. For the most part, the town is dominated by residential areas, though there is a sizable area devoted to the marketplace, where you can find anything from fresh fruits and vegetables to hoof-made soaps. Other notable areas are the local bakery, Sugarcube Corner; Rarity's Carousel Boutique; the Books and Branches library; a bowling alley, and the Quill and Davenport sofa/quills shop. In the center of town is the Town Hall, often used for important occasions.
This is our current location.

Sweet Apple Acres:
Located southwest of Ponyville. Run by the resident branch of the Apple family, Sweet Apple Acres is the sole provider of apples to Ponyville. They also create delicious treats, and once a week will sell them in the marketplace. Seasonal products include high-quality apple cider and various Zap Apple products. the most notable of which being Zap Apple jam. Somewhere in the orchard is a clubhouse used by the Cutie Mark Crusaders.

The Everfree Forest:
Located west of Ponyville, the Everfree Forest has been long feared by town residents. It simply isn't natural- there, clouds move on their own, plants grow without being tended to, even animals care for themselves. Many terrible creatures live in the forest, including a dragon, a cockatrice, an Ursa Major and Ursa Minor, and timberwolves. The only intelligent creatures to live in the forest are a large sea serpent and a zebra named Zecora.

Cloudsdale:
Home of the pegasi, Cloudsdale is home to the annual Best Young Flier's competition, as well as several flight schools and camps, which occasionally accept griffin students. The city also provides all necessary weather to Equestria. In the weather factory, one can find ponies creating clouds, hoof-crafting snowflakes, and refining rainbows. Curiously though, no one knows exactly what goes on in the Rainbow Factory itself...

Canterlot:
Populated mostly by unicorns, Canterlot is the place to be for high society. Nearly all the latest fashions and fads come from there, as well as celebrities like Hoity Toity and Photo Finish. It is also the location of the royal castle, home to Princess Celestia- and until recently, Princess Luna.

More locations will be added if needed.
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Current events:

Hear ye, hear ye! Her royal highness, Princess Luna, has announced she will be taking up residence in Ponyville! In light of her appearance on Nightmare Night, she has stated she must reconnect with her subjects, and can think of no better way to do this than to live among her subjects. She has not disclosed just where she will be living. Resident party planner Pinkie Pie has already announced plans for a welcoming party to be held at the next full moon, and is requesting any and all assistance to set it up.
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Available main characters:

• Princess Celestia
• Twilight Sparkle
• Spike (only allowed dragon, please modify form as necessary.)
• Applejack
• Rarity
• Fluttershy
• Rainbow Dash
• Big Macintosh
• Applebloom
• Sweetie Belle
• Scootaloo

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Character listing:

Characters marked with * are Windigo-possessed, but this is NOT known in game. This is just to keep track of who's possessed and who's not.

• Discord (Currently a statue/NPC, will be played by Commander Shepard.)
• Princess Luna.(Commander Shepard)
• Pinkie Pie* (Commander Shepard)
• Cloud Runner* (Boloss Kradio)
• White Fire (Boloss Kradio)
• Star Chaser (Commander Shepard)
• Bass Strings (Lady Octavia)
• Storm Chaser (The Jinxed Fox)

We will begin once we have two more characters!

[Dr. Paine]

Character Sheets.

Username: Dr. Paine
Character Name: Princess Luna
Age: Ancient/immortal
Gender: Female
Species: Alicorn
Appearance: Taller than most ponies, with large wings and a long, rather sharp-looking horn. Coat is a very deep blue, while her mane and tale are blue and black, nebulous things that seems to glitter with stars.
Cutie Mark/Special Talent: A white crescent moon on a dark blue field; special talent is raising the moon and stewardship of the night.
Personality: Rather uneasy around other ponies, Luna compensates for this by projecting the sort of personality expected of royalty over a thousand years ago. She comes across as very cold and commanding, not to mention extremely loud. But really, all she wants is to be able to connect with her subjects the way her sister has. She wants friends, she wants to shake the fear and rumors that still hang over her.
History: ? All we know is that at some point over a thousand years ago, she and Celestia were born and overthrew Discord, eventually becoming co-monarchs of Equestria and responsible for the day and night. A thousand years ago, Luna was infected by some evil force and tried to rebel against Celestia, leading to Celestia imprisoning her on the moon and taking over entirely. With Luna's return, the co-monarchy has been restored. In an attempt to be closer to her subjects, Luna has left Canterlot for the time being, and is performing her duties from a new home in Ponyville.
Pet: N/A
Other: N/A


Username: Dr. Paine
Character Name: Pinkamina Diane 'Pinkie' Pie.
Age: Young adult
Gender: Female
Species: Earth pony.
Appearance: An average sized earth pony mare, with a bright pink coat and extremely poofy magenta mane and tail. Rather large, bright blue eyes.
Cutie Mark/Special Talent: Three balloons (one yellow with two blue on either side); special talent is making others happy- usually through throwing parties.
Personality: Incredibly cheerful and nearly always smiling, Pinkie Pie truly embodies the element of Laughter. She is extremely fond of practical jokes, even if they sometimes backfire and wind up with her being the one pranked- as long as nopony is hurt and someone smiles, it's a win! Pinkie has a rather incredible memory, having memorized the birthdays and several facts about every pony in town, usually within a day or two of their arrival.
That said, Pinkie can be... insecure, sometimes. If she fails to make friends a pony (or donkey or griffin, as the occasion may call for), she can and usually will go to extreme lengths in order to change that, with varied success. If she feels she's failed at this- as she believes her entire purpose in life is to make others happy- she can easily fall into a deep depression, where she quite literally loses most of her color and bounce, not to mention prone to delusions and outright hallucinations. Another point of interest in Pinkie Pie's personality is that she did not entirely agree with sealing Discord away- if it had been the only option, she would have supported it entirely, but she believed there might have been a way to befriend him. It is this lingering regret, coupled with her rather fragile emotional state, that has allowed a Windigo to possess Pinkie, though it has yet to really take hold.
History: Grew up on a rock farm until she saw Rainbow Dash's first Sonic Rainboom, which led to her discovering her talent for parties and cheering up others. Eventually moved to Ponyville and took up residence with Mr. and Mrs. Cake, working in the sweet shop and planning many parties in town.
Pet: A small, toothless alligator named Gummy.
Other: Despite being an earth pony, Pinkie Pie can do... strange things. She occasionally seems to pull objects out of nowhere, can contort herself into positions that would rightly kill any other pony, and appear nearly anywhere- this includes, but is not limited to, underneath bricks; in sponge buckets, and even inside mirrors. Nopony has any idea how she is capable of this, nor do any really wish to know- they simply pass it off as her being, well, Pinkie Pie. Often bounces along instead of walking.


Username: Dr. Paine

Character Name: Star Chaser

Age: Young adult

Gender: Female

Species: Unicorn

Appearance: A rather large but lanky unicorn mare, with a dark charcoal gray coat. Her mane and tail are fairly short and mostly black, with streaks of goldenrod- which happens to be the same color as her eyes. Unlike most mares, Star has unshorn fetlocks, giving the fur around her hooves a rather feathery look.

Cutie Mark/Special Talent: A meteorite surrounded by three stars. Her special talent is astronomy, mainly the study of meteorites that have fallen to earth.
Personality: Highly curious and always pushing the boundaries of what she's capable of, Star is a bit... reckless. It's often joked that she is a unicorn in a pegasus' body, and she's more than inclined to agree. She can become fairly competitive, even if it's just competing against herself, and often loses days of sleep to some great new idea or spell she's come across. These bursts of energy are often followed by periods of listlessness or near depression as the rush leaves her, but Star has taught herself to cope with these periods by just remembering to relax during a particularly energetic time, and spending the down periods simply indulging in whatever makes her happy.

History: Star was born in Cloudsdale, to a pair of pegasi named Starry Skies and Comet Chaser. It was quite a start to the two when they saw their little filly had a horn rather than wings, but they were more concerned with the fact that she likely wouldn't be able to even remain in her bed. They quickly made arrangements to live in Canterlot, finding jobs at the observatory. This led to the family maintaining a nocturnal lifestyle, with work and play taking place at night, leaving sleep for the daylight hours. Star Chaser never attended school with other foals, instead, she was taught by private tutors who could fit into her... unusual lifestyle.

Star Chaser was often brought along to the observatory in the evenings, usually keeping to the grounds rather than running around the building itself- not that she minded, it allowed her to exercise her love of running, or otherwise just observe the sky on her own. Her favorite times were when they arrived early enough and she was able to watch the moon rise, and it was her dearest wish to one day be present as Luna herself raised the moon. It was one such night that Star Chaser noticed a bright streak of light, and the filly immediately began to chase after it. Star wasn't sure how long or how far she ran, but it was dawn when she finally came to a stop, right in front of a rather deep crater. The young unicorn slowly approached it and found a large, faintly warm stone buried in the earth. She spent most of the morning digging it up, and proudly presented her findings to her parents once they'd finally found her. There was some debate on just what to do, though- while she had scared the life out of her parents, her little chase and discovery had caused Star's cutie mark to appear.

Now living in Ponyville so she can better study the sky, Star Chaser has started to grow envious of the flying abilities of pegasi. Rather than let this morph into pure jealousy or bitterness, though, Star seeks to be like them. She has started teaching herself the cloud walking spell, and her current greatest goal in life is to pull off a spell that can give a non-pegasus pony wings. She years for this simply to become closer to the night sky she so dearly loves.

Pet: They don't have names, but Star Chaser keeps a number of fireflies around her garden.

Other: Star Chaser often wears small, golden bands with little white wings around her hooves, as well as a dark blue cloak decorated with bright yellow stars.

[Zeimeki]

Lets get this party started! :3

Username: Boloss Kradio (though just call me Kradio)
Character Name: White Fire
Age: Young Adult
Gender: Male
Species: Unicorn
Appearance: (picture coming) Isaac is a white unicorn stallion with a more raggedy navy blue main and tail that matches his navy blue eyes. His cutie mark is a small fire, though colored black and white instead of the regular red and orange...or red, orange, and yellow.
Cutie Mark/Special Talent: a white/black flame / good with fire
Personality: Isaac is a bit on the shy side, and prefers to keep more to himself. When confronted, he can be a bit quiet, though will be willing to talk to someone interesting enough. Though he can name all the ponies in Ponyville, he can't say he is really that close of friends with any of them, though he happens to talk to a few more than others.
History: Isaac was orphaned as a young foal, which ensured his life as a shy station. He continued attending school, though he made little friends, and the friends he did make eventually moved away to other towns and cities in Equestria. For some odd reason, he always would find himself attracted to fire. From destructive ones caused by lightning that the weather patrol brought with the storms, to tiny candles that anypony would light up. It wasn't until he started his own tiny bonfire in private that Isaac truly found his attraction to flames. After a few nights of lighting tiny bonfires for himself, then putting them out again so that nopony got hurt, he woke up to find a fire cutie mark on his flank, colored to match his coloring...or maybe his less than bright beginnings.
Pet: N/A
Other: Nothing that I can think of.
Sample: N/A


Username: Boloss Kradio (though just call me Kradio)
Character Name:Cloud Runner
Age: Foal
Gender: Female
Species: Pegasus (Windigo)
Appearance: Cloud Runner is a sky blue pegasus filly with slightly smaller wings than most ponies her age. Her mane is a raincloud black, and her eyes are a darker blue. She also wears a necklace with a cloud charm around her neck, which she says her parents gave to her for her birthday.
Cutie Mark/Special Talent: N/A
Personality: Cloud Runner is a stuck up filly who thinks she has the right to do whatever she wants whenever she wants. Her favorite habit is flying, though because of her age and smaller wings, she cannot achieve very high altitude, which makes her even more mad. She's very outgoing, and tries to be the leader...or, is the correct word tyrant?...often, which can result in many ponies looking down on the young foal.
History: Originally from the rich and noble city of Canterlot, Cloud Runner's family was always the ponies to go to when someone needed a shoulder to lean on. Cloud Runner's parents where one of the nicest ponies in the city, and were always willing to give a helping hoof. When Cloud Runner began to develop a more suck-up, self centered personality, much of Canterlot was surprised that such nice parents could raise such a seemingly horrible child. Not wanting Cloud Runner to grow up with the same mind frame as she had developed in those young years, they moved to the small town of Ponyville. The two of them had heard stories of all the great ponies in Ponyville, and hoped that their wonderful and perky personalities would rub off on Cloud Runner. So far, however, their idea has not worked, and Cloud Runner has maintained her self-centered state of mind...
Pet: N/A
Other: N/A
Sample: N/A

[Dr. Paine]

(Indeed xD Thanks for posting your sheets, I'll list them now.)

[anime]

*please delete*

[Dr. Paine]

(The mane 6 are an audition process, so I can't really reserve them- even if several people try out, it may be a while before I find a good fit. I will make sure not to immediately accept any others until you complete your form, though )

[Dr. Paine]

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Username: Lady Octavia
Character Name: Bass Strings

Age: Young Adult

Gender: Mare

Species: Pegasus

Appearance: Bass Strings is a tall, young mare. In human years she would range around seventeen and nineteen. She's not to young, not to old. The young mare has a silk-like cream coat, with white patterns scattered over her body. One covers her nose, one covers the places near her cutie mark, her hooves, and on top of her head. Bass Strings has short fuchsia hair with a pinkish red spots in her hair. Her hair is is a mixture of curls and spikes, while her tail is just plain spiky. Bass Strings has big eyes with huge eyelashes. Her eyes are a light azure, and easy to fall into. The mare has quite a pair of strong wings. The mare often is seen in a dark pink sweater and cape, and good looking red shoes. Her cutie mark is a long black bass guitar, with a microphone next to it.

Cutie Mark/Special Talent: Bass Strings cutie mark is a long black bass guitar with music notes coming out of it. She is a expert at playing. And she also sings, which is why the microphone is there. Bass Strings is a popular singer around Ponyville with her bass guitar in hand.

Personality: Bass Strings is quite a interesting mare. When you first meet her, you suspect her to just be a shy simple mare. When you finally get to know her, she is bursting with personalities. She is very talkative only with her good friends. She goes quiet with ponies she doesn't talk to much. Bass Strings also is very smart. She will be afraid to correct you at times, worrying about your feelings. But, Bass Strings can be dumb sometimes. She will just laugh and joke around as say "Shut up." Bass Strings can always take a joke and always makes jokes. She won't try to make you feel bad about anything, only laugh. Bass Strings will act very rude to ponies she dislikes. She's not afraid to tell them off, and say what's on her mind. If she holds it in, she will explode. Bass Strings will act very nervous and shy around one she likes, and hardly talk to them. She tries, but her shyness gets the best of her. And she is not a possessed,

History: Bass Strings was born in a big family of eight ponies. Bass Strings never got along well with her family. They always disliked her, and she always disliked them. As soon as she was a teen-ish filly, she runaway from home. Bass Strings had a best friend called, Bunny Trickster. They were the besets of bests friends. They never did fight, even if one of them did something to anger the other. The other would quickly calm down. Bass Strings joined her best friend's family, and became sisters. It was a dream come true for Bass Strings. She finally had a finally that cared for her, and one she cared about. They treated each like family, no less. Bass Strings earned her cutie mark when she had a band concert, and she had to play her bass guitar and sing for it. Bass String's new family encouraged her to make her dream of being a musician, and she set out to do it. She set out with her sister Bunny Trickster and came to Canterlot. Bunny Trickster landed a job as a veteran in Ponyville somehow, and Bass Strings found a producer who wanted her to be a new star. Bass Strings decided to preform her songs in Ponyville. That's were most ponies were most of the time. And that's how Bass Strings became the pony she is today.

Pet: A cat, named Aidlen.

Other: Nope.

[Dr. Paine]

(Accepted However, could you bring the blue down a shade or two? It's a bit hard to read. Boloss, the same goes for you and the yellow, I forgot to mention that earlier xD)