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by Nyxeva » Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:13 am
Zarago wrote:That's because we're humans ourselves (nu, really?), which gives us the right to make films and write stories about our flaws. Nobody is going to fear themselves because of a film, but this is clearly not the case with another species.
And no, I have not and am not going to see this film. I don't want to add to their funding, nor do I want to experience the frustration of sitting through it. 'Alpha & Omega' was bad enough, but I'm proud to say that I didn't see it at the cinema.
It irks me when people automatically assume that because a movie portrays wolves in a bad light, then people will hate them and be fearful of them. It's like they simply ignore the fact that there are many mentions of wolves that portray them in a good light, and now there are so many people who love and support wolves that I don't think one movie that is rated R and slated towards adults will make much of a difference.
There will always be an instinctive fear of predators, and movie directors will always play off of that fear, whether you like it or not. Be it shark, wolf, lion or tiger, there will always be an instinctive respect, if not fear of them.
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by Zarago » Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:23 am
No, this film will not have a massive impact on people's opinions of wolves, but all the same it will not do them any good either. I can also assure you that there are more negative wolf-related films than there are positive ones. I have found a few positive ones, such as '
Never Cry Wolf' (which I'd like to see someday) and '
Dances with Wolves'. I'm having trouble finding others though (unless you count Alpha and Omega, which in my opinion, shows them in a 'stupid' light instead of a bloodthirsty one. But, it may have done some good for children's opinions).
Could you perhaps point out other wolf-related films that shed a positive light on wolves?
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by Geralt&Ciri<3 » Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:54 am
Zarago wrote:Van wrote:Ah, yes, The Grey…
I don't really understand the big fuss about it.
No, wolves don't really act like that, but you'd think people would have the common sense to know the difference between movie and reality.
I have seen the movie, and yes, it does depict wolves in a bad way that is obviously very unrealistic, but people should know the difference between the movie and how wolves really act.
No people will go out poaching every wolf they can find just because of a movie.
Don't see the movie if you can't handle it and will take it too seriously. It's simple, easily avoided problem.
And frankly, I don't really see how not seeing a movie will protect any wolves.
Also, keep in mind that these boycotts are coming from PETA-the organization that believes your pets are better off dead than 'enslaved' by you. They blow things way out of proportion.
Actually, as ShebaDove {wolf} pointed out, people will and do believe stories and films. Too many people think that, "Oh, well there are so many things in the media depicting wolves as evil creatures, that it must be true or have at least some element of truth in it". As I've mentioned before in previous posts, I've met far too many people (particularly children) whom have nightmares about wolves merely because of games such as 'What's the time Mr. Wolf?' and stories like 'Little Red Riding Hood' along with 'The Three Little Pigs'.
I do care about films that show animals in a negative light. Not because of me, but because of the people who will watch them and believe in it. Just look what Jaws did to Great white sharks. Some people have even become phobic of sharks because of that film. The point that I'm making is that there are just too many ignorant people in this world to allow room for films that depict real animals as man-eating monsters. People will believe almost anything these days if it makes a big enough impact on them
Just to clarify, I do not support PETA or their extremest actions. They disgust me.
cerulean blue. wrote:'violent and misleading' can be said about a lot of movies
(oh dear, The Hunger Games is very violent and misleading, we will never let that happen in the future!).
that's why they're nearly all fantasy or realistic fiction genre.
movies aren't supposed to be documentaries with nothing but fact.
otherwise it would be insane to fork over 10 bucks a person for reality. :L
people pay for a good story, not trufax.
Naturally, people would far prefer to see a thrilling film than a factual one, but that doesn't mean that the fantasy won't have an impact on people's views. That is what irks me. It's sad really, that people are having to rely on the fear and stimulation of giant, red-eyed wolfies and voracious, man-eating fishies just to make a film. Think of something new, for god's sake.
I agree with pretty much everything Zarago says and wolves are my favorite animals-im writing a book about them and its science fiction but positive about all animals wolves included
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by van » Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:57 am
Zarago wrote:No, this film will not have a massive impact on people's opinions of wolves, but all the same it will not do them any good either. I can also assure you that there are more negative wolf-related films than there are positive ones. I have found a few positive ones, such as '
Never Cry Wolf' (which I'd like to see someday) and '
Dances with Wolves'. I'm having trouble finding others though (unless you count Alpha and Omega, which in my opinion, shows them in a 'stupid' light instead of a bloodthirsty one. But, it may have done some good for children's opinions).
Could you perhaps point out other wolf-related films that shed a positive light on wolves?
I can't google [school wifi restrictions] it right now so I can't really get any titles of them, but I'm sure there are many.
And what films depict wolves in bad ways [other than The Grey, and even then it doesn't depict them as 'kill everything they can']? Can you think of a lot of those?
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by Zarago » Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:19 am
Here's what I found by googlin'.
Wolf,
Brotherhood of the Wolf,
Cry_Wolf (not about wolves in general, but the murderer is known as 'The Wolf'),
The Wolf Man,
Hour of the Wolf (not sure if it's about wolves as an animal, but it's likely, because the character during "the hour of the wolf" (between midnight and dawn) tells his wife about his most painful memories, which could involve wolves),
Peter and the Wolf (five films/programmes regarding the story 'Peter and the Wolf' in the link),
The Wolfman.
I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones I found flicking through Google.
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by Geralt&Ciri<3 » Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:23 am
Zarago wrote:No, this film will not have a massive impact on people's opinions of wolves, but all the same it will not do them any good either. I can also assure you that there are more negative wolf-related films than there are positive ones. I have found a few positive ones, such as '
Never Cry Wolf' (which I'd like to see someday) and '
Dances with Wolves'. I'm having trouble finding others though (unless you count Alpha and Omega, which in my opinion, shows them in a 'stupid' light instead of a bloodthirsty one. But, it may have done some good for children's opinions).
Could you perhaps point out other wolf-related films that shed a positive light on wolves?
The three Balto movies are pretty much positive ones

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by Zarago » Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:40 am
ShebaDove {wolf} wrote:Zarago wrote:No, this film will not have a massive impact on people's opinions of wolves, but all the same it will not do them any good either. I can also assure you that there are more negative wolf-related films than there are positive ones. I have found a few positive ones, such as '
Never Cry Wolf' (which I'd like to see someday) and '
Dances with Wolves'. I'm having trouble finding others though (unless you count Alpha and Omega, which in my opinion, shows them in a 'stupid' light instead of a bloodthirsty one. But, it may have done some good for children's opinions).
Could you perhaps point out other wolf-related films that shed a positive light on wolves?
The three Balto movies are pretty much positive ones

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by Sadies » Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:50 am
Personaly I believe The Grey is a bad image for wolves and yes many people will believe that wolves are evil but sadly it has been told over generations that wolves are evil but now adays people do not normaly go out and kill wolves because they think they are evil, they do it for fun or because they think their livestock is in danger. I do not agree with killing any animal unless it is suffering just as I agree that should be allowed for people if they choose it. I know films don't help wolves but there are other films to promote wolves as good for example twilight, I know that is werewolves but it still has wolves, think about how many people like wolves just because of those films.
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by van » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:48 am
@Zarago-
There are a few wolf negative movies out there, but what does that matter?
If they cause some people to hate wolves, then so be it. Those people are obviously uneducated, it’s not a big deal-they will learn the truth sooner or later. And even if they don’t, does it matter? Like I said, no one will go on a wolf poaching rampage just because of a movie.
Hating an animal just because of a movie isn’t very smart, but people can do what they wish with their lives. It’s just an opinion, and the world won’t go into utter chaos just because someone hates wolves.
And I also noticed that most of those movies are about werewolves, not wolves. Now, I’m not saying anyone that does believe in therians/werewolves is wrong, but have they ever really been proven to exist? No, of course not. I don’t think many people will hate wolves because of a werewolf movie.
A lot of those movies were made a long time ago, too.
Like cerulean blue. said, people pay to watch a fictional movie, not a documentary.
You said they should ‘think of something new’- well, they do. All the time. Is every single movie that comes out in theatres focussing around man-eating wolves? No. Point proven.
And there are many more wolf positive than negative things [not only films] around nowadays.
Just to name a few-
Wolf’s rain, Off White [A really good web comic about wolves. <3], Balto/Dancing with Wolves/Never cry Wolf [I won’t link to any of those because you already did. ^^], a looot of documentaries [You don’t see any documentaries saying wolves are man eating, terrible beasts, do you? The link leads you to page with quite a few good wolf documentaries. Quite a bit of random chatter on that thread, but a lot of documentaries, too.], Wolves Unleashed, books such as Runt, Julie of the Wolves, The Company of Wolves, Of Wolves and Men, Julie’s wolf Pack, Journey of the Red Wolf, and many more. [You are going to have to google them if you want proof… I found a lot of the titles here though.]
I’m too lazy to find more. Obviously there isn’t many films that aren’t documentaries focussing around wolves because that would be an extremely boring movie, unless, of course, it was fiction. [Like The Grey]
There’s nothing wrong with showing animals in negative ways-it’s called creativity. I have read many books [mainly they are horror] that display animals in maybe a bit of a blood thirsty way, but that doesn’t mean that the author intended to make the reader hate animals. People need to pay attention to genres-fiction.
And just because some people don’t understand that it’s fiction, that doesn’t mean that every author/producer/artist/blah that displays wolves in a negative way is a terrible human being who wants everyone around them to hate wolves.
Hate on the stupid people that take it seriously, not the production itself.
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by sidereus » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:12 pm
I'm not completely sure if this relates and is relevant to the discussion,
but this talking of messages received from movies made me think about an article about Harry Potter
I recently read (I know you're all going "what does Harry Potter have to do with this asdfgjkl", hang on, I'll explain)
here is a link to the article.Now, while there isn't (to my knowledge) of a group of people out to ban any movies showing wolves as 'bad guys', I still think the article is similar enough to compare to this situation as well.
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