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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby bloodredsheep » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:48 pm

Cardinal wrote:
Renki wrote:why were you feeding kibble and raw at the same time?


Who? In m post I warned against it. xD


I think it was pointed at me not to sure if it was but I need a mixed of both kibble and meat for my wolf/husky or she becomes very skinny but she is fine with eating both she doesn't get sick but it's most likely cause of the wolf if I don't give her some fresh meat or fish she tries to dig holes and eat moles in the ground or starts eaten birds and will even try and eat opposom. I have had a opposom all across my backyard very disturbing. :shock:
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby .Pardalis. » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:15 pm

I do NOT feed my wolfdog raw meat. It sends him into a frenzy. I'd rather feed him low quality crap than have him put down for mauling someone in his excitement. (very high content he is)


HOWEVER.
He does have a huge issue with keeping on the weight and a dull coat.(even with the huge bags of Iams)
He goes through 40lbs a week.

I breed fancy mice.
For the longest time they were greasy and prone to cancer.
Then I discovered the culprit! Corn.
I took my mice off the pre-packaged rodent food.
I gave them a mix I made myself.

70% Grain, 30% protein.
Grains are sunflower seeds, millet and whole oats.
Protein is that crap food you mentioned for dogs (It's actually very good for mice because they don't eat much of it and it's packed with minerals) or scrambled eggs.

They also get KMR(kitten milk) mixed with breadcrumbs.

My mice went from unhealthy, greasy slugs into healthy bright eyes fluffs of energy. Incredible.
Diet is certainly very important to health.
Even with people you can see a dramatic difference.
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby MaineiacJay » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:24 pm

Lycrisa wrote:I do NOT feed my wolfdog raw meat. It sends him into a frenzy. I'd rather feed him low quality crap than have him put down for mauling someone in his excitement. (very high content he is)


HOWEVER.
He does have a huge issue with keeping on the weight and a dull coat.(even with the huge bags of Iams)
He goes through 40lbs a week.

I breed fancy mice.
For the longest time they were greasy and prone to cancer.
Then I discovered the culprit! Corn.
I took my mice off the pre-packaged rodent food.
I gave them a mix I made myself.

70% Grain, 30% protein.
Grains are sunflower seeds, millet and whole oats.
Protein is that crap food you mentioned for dogs (It's actually very good for mice because they don't eat much of it and it's packed with minerals) or scrambled eggs.

They also get KMR(kitten milk) mixed with breadcrumbs.

My mice went from unhealthy, greasy slugs into healthy bright eyes fluffs of energy. Incredible.
Diet is certainly very important to health.
Even with people you can see a dramatic difference.


i found with wolfdogs, you dont really *need* a raw diet, but they really do a whole lot better on a quality food. we used to feed a kibble of higher grain to Tala because its what our pit bull was on, but it just didnt work for him. he wasnt growing as fast and he didnt have quite the energy he should have had. we switched to a kibble with less grain and he seemed to grow at a more steady pace and had a ton more energy, which wasnt too fun at first, but at least he was more how he should be.. so try that. maybe wilderness or taste of the wild. personally i wont feed my dogs raw because there are almost as many hazards in it as there is feeding a poor quality kibble (diseased meat, contamination, choking hazards, internal splinters, parasites, etc...)...
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby ~illbewaiting » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:24 am

I feed my dog with Pro Plan and Eukanuba just because this is the best dog food in my country. I've never seen the ones you listed as "much better", "great" and "the best". My dog is really skinny even though he eats a kilogram dog food per day.

Lycrisa wrote:I breed fancy mice.
For the longest time they were greasy and prone to cancer.
Then I discovered the culprit! Corn.


Oh my. I didn't know corn is so bad for rodents. I feed my rats with pre-packaged rodent food which contains corn since I got them. I should make them home mix ASAP.

Also I used to feed my cat with Whiskas and now she has urinary problems and problems with her kidneys. People should really care about the food they give to their pets.
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby Darkest.Nation » Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:55 am

Pro Plan is good, but the second ingredient is corn gluten meal. A filler, which is why your dog is burning through the stuff and not gaining weight. If you feed Eukanuba, look at the ingredients. They feed corn meal, too. If Eukanuba is available in your counrty, try their Naturally Wild line. That's as good as it gets.

Also, if you want people to better care for what they feed their pets, then you should have probably done research on what you feed your animals yourself, right? I did; my dogs and birds are fed the best possible. Dried or fresh fruit, vegetables and grains for the birds, and holistic LID food for my dogs; here's an example of what I currently feed my dogs: http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/dogfor ... ngredients.

My cat was fed Whiskas when we picked her up off the streets, and then after that we switched her to Purina Naturals because she refused the holistic/ LID cat food we fed her, which was made by the same brand, Nature's Variety, that we fed our dogs. We would have bought her better, but she refused it. So we got the second best food.

(P.S. - For rodent people.... some types of corn are linked to organ failure in rodents.)
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby Dakonic » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:20 am

My dog goes into a crazy frenzy over normal kibble... that's why I started with a low value food and taught him to wait in order to eat.... teaching a dog that controlling themselves gets them rewards is fantastic. If other dogs are there, I feed him in his crate.

Also illbewaiting, how much does your dog weigh, or do you have pictures of them being "skinny". Often dogs at a healthy weight are labeled "skinny" but I understand that because it was only up until a year ago I educated myself on proper weight for dogs. Some dogs are different than others, some will stay at a decent weight even though you feed them a ton, others will get fat in the blink of an eye.
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby ~illbewaiting » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:45 am

Celestial88 wrote:Also illbewaiting, how much does your dog weigh, or do you have pictures of them being "skinny". Often dogs at a healthy weight are labeled "skinny" but I understand that because it was only up until a year ago I educated myself on proper weight for dogs. Some dogs are different than others, some will stay at a decent weight even though you feed them a ton, others will get fat in the blink of an eye.


Well he used to be a stray dog before I took him home. The day I adopted him I took him to the vet too. His weight was 35 kg/77 lbs. Which is not enough for a German Shepherd. The vet told me he should be around 45kg.
4 months later he still looks skinny to me. Even his ribs are visible. Maybe the reason is that he's 8 years old?
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby GreekMythology<3 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:19 am

I thought you meant like...rat poison or something like that. Never mind. This is educational, good research.
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby HeartOfCoal » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:38 am

Out of curiosity, I noticed you said on the first page (and I'm far to lazy to read the whole thing so I just skimed so I apologize if I read it wrong) that we should feed our dogs raw game such as poultry?? Dogs can't eat birds. The bones can splinter and can get lodged in their throat.

On top of that, when you feed a dog a raw diet, you are a) spending more money than necessary and b) not giving your dog the nutrients it needs. In the wild, dogs (such as wolves) are omnivores so they eat wild vegitation. You might have mentioned that (And I think you did) but just in case I figured I'd add that.

Also, domestic dogs have adapted to being brought up on a dog food diet. Don't get me wrong, table scraps are great but these dogs should eat dog food. Even if you start a newborn puppy off with meat and such so it can grow to get used to it, that dog MOST LIKELY will get extremely sick because the food it was recieving from its mother was dog food, and its systems were built to process the dog food.

I am NOT disagreeing that there are better dog foods out there. My family personally does not go out of our way to buy the best dog food because our dog gets table scraps, and compost, and little birds she catches outside. However, most dogs cannot handle the diet they should eat. I've noticed little dogs are more prone to getting sick from eating human food because for some reason (and my guess is through genetics) they cannot stomach human food that well. But then again, it varies with each dog.

Again, I could be wrong and missed the entire point of this because I just skimmed. However, this is what I understood of the conversation so I hope I'm correct in my assumption.
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby Jackdaw Lord » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:49 am

HeartOfCoal wrote:Out of curiosity, I noticed you said on the first page (and I'm far to lazy to read the whole thing so I just skimed so I apologize if I read it wrong) that we should feed our dogs raw game such as poultry?? Dogs can't eat birds. The bones can splinter and can get lodged in their throat.



COOKED bones will splinter and may get lodged somewhere within the animal's stomach or intestinal tract, raw bones won't splinter and are perfectly safe. Yes, that does include bird bones.

Copy pasted from Myths about Raw feeding:

"Cooked bones are quite dangerous. Cooking changes the structure of the bone, making it indigestible and easily splinterable. Raw bones rarely splinter and are fully digestible, even the collagen proteins that some people claim are "indigestible." It is mostly the byproducts of the digested bone that form the bulk of a raw-fed animal's feces. Dogs and cats do not need the fiber from grains and vegetables, and feeding such foods only results in the big, soft, malodorous stools everyone complains about.

Let me repeat this for good measure: raw bones are completely digestible and are not dangerous for your animal. They are no more dangerous than kibble, and the only reasons they are made out to be dangerous are a) people misunderstand that raw bones are fully digestible while cooked are not, b) people want to scare you into thinking you are going to kill your dog if you give them bones, and c) bone-induced problems are blown way out of proportion in an effort to maintain the status quo of feeding kibble. What these people forget to tell you about are the 60,000 dogs suffering from bloat each year—of which nearly 20,000 die (Burrows, C.F. and L.A. Ignaszewski. 1990. Canine gastric dilatation-volvulus. Journal of Small Animal Practice. 35:295-298. In Lonsdale, T. 2001. Raw Meaty Bones. pg 117)—or the number of dogs dying from choking on kibble—which is a more common occurrence than one hears of! They also forget to mention the numbers of dogs that choked on or swallowed tennis balls, rocks, sticks, and a variety of other objects. These incidences FAR outweigh the numbers of dogs that have problems with raw bones. Just take a survey of veterinarians in your area and see what the most common blockage or choking culprits are in their specific practices. Do not forget to ask how many dogs they have treated (successfully and unsuccessfully) for bloat.

Yes, problems can occur with raw bones, just as problems can occur with feeding the "safer" kibble (bloat, choking, telescoping bowel, aspirated kibble leading to pneumonia, etc.). These problems typically occur in dogs that gulp their food or are fed small things like chicken wings and necks (the prime suspects of choking incidences on raw). Other culprits are the large weight-bearing bones of herbivores, things like knuckle bones, femurs, etc. These, ironically, are the kinds of bones pet food manufacturers and some vets recommend dogs receive regularly to help keep teeth clean! These bones chip or break teeth and can have pieces of bone flake off."

Also, not about a dog, but my kitten was fed some crappy kibble throughout his first months of life by the breeder (not a proper breeder, we "rescued" him) and I changed his diet to raw food and whole raw prey without any problems. Why would a dog get sick about eating it? Commercial food has been available for LESS THAN CENTURY whereas dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years.
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