Your Opinion On Wolves?

[sidereus]

I like wolves. If they are becoming a problem for farmers because of killing livestock, then someone should trap them and put them in a wildlife park or a zoo. Anything as long as they live.

Well, that's even worse than death for a wolf, they want to be wild, not trapped in an enclosure surrounded by their worst enemies, human beings.

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'Worst enemies'? I'd say best friends, considering we saved them from near extinction in U.S.A.
'Trapped'? They live happily and healthily in a safe, large enclosure.
'Even worse than death'? 'Want to be wild'? Wolves do not possess the intellectual capacity to think sentient thoughts like us. They survive on pure instinct. A captive wolf doesn't care, as long as it has its needs met.

I would like to also point out you talk as if from the perspective of a wolf. :|
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I personally near hate grey wolves. Wolfaboo freaks ruined a fine species with their idiocy. I support wolf culling anyway, as it helps the species itself :B

And on the OP, greys are not endangered. Ethiopian wolves are epic, though.

[Zarago]

I like wolves. If they are becoming a problem for farmers because of killing livestock, then someone should trap them and put them in a wildlife park or a zoo. Anything as long as they live.

Well, that's even worse than death for a wolf, they want to be wild, not trapped in an enclosure surrounded by their worst enemies, human beings.

'Worst enemies'? I'd say best friends, considering we saved them from near extinction in U.S.A.
'Trapped'? They live happily and healthily in a safe, large enclosure.
'Even worse than death'? 'Want to be wild'? Wolves do not possess the intellectual capacity to think sentient thoughts like us. They survive on pure instinct. A captive wolf doesn't care, as long as it has its needs met.

I would like to also point out you talk as if from the perspective of a wolf.
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I personally near hate grey wolves. Wolfaboo freaks ruined a fine species with their idiocy. I support wolf culling anyway, as it helps the species itself :B

And on the OP, greys are not endangered. Ethiopian wolves are epic, though.

To a wolf, humans are an enemy if they do not know them positively. A healthy wild wolf will flee from a human walking nearby because they are intelligent enough to know that humans are a top predator, and could kill them, so the best thing to do is to go far away. They do not know about humans saving them, or lack of.

Wolves that are not tame and that are in zoos are not as happy as they would be running in the wild. They become stressed with all the publicity, and flee to their den when a human enters their enclosure. On the other hand, tame and hand-raised wolves enjoy the company of the people who looked after them, because then they view them as part of their pack and not a dangerous predator to them. Still, the wolves do not particularly enjoy being stared and screamed at by guests.

If you were to put a truly wild wolf into a zoo, it would be like torture, that wolf would have known the freedom that had been taken away from it. It would be scared and depressed, which is why it is not often you see animals that have been taken out of the wild and put into zoos because it is cruel and stressful for the animal. Wolves are not stupid, and they would know the difference of being captive and wild, as long as they have experienced being wild.

And yes, the best way to find out about an animal is to think like they would, I'm not ashamed of that. And what you say about you near hating the wolves is ridiculous, you shouldn't start to hate an animal just because some people worship it and make annoying comments, that's not right.

And no, the North American Grey Wolf is not endangered in it's main country, but some are, such as the Mexican Grey Wolf which is extinct in the wild. Red wolves and Etheopian wolves are critically endangered. A few species are extinct.

[sidereus]

I like wolves. If they are becoming a problem for farmers because of killing livestock, then someone should trap them and put them in a wildlife park or a zoo. Anything as long as they live.

Well, that's even worse than death for a wolf, they want to be wild, not trapped in an enclosure surrounded by their worst enemies, human beings.

'Worst enemies'? I'd say best friends, considering we saved them from near extinction in U.S.A.
'Trapped'? They live happily and healthily in a safe, large enclosure.
'Even worse than death'? 'Want to be wild'? Wolves do not possess the intellectual capacity to think sentient thoughts like us. They survive on pure instinct. A captive wolf doesn't care, as long as it has its needs met.

I would like to also point out you talk as if from the perspective of a wolf. :|
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I personally near hate grey wolves. Wolfaboo freaks ruined a fine species with their idiocy. I support wolf culling anyway, as it helps the species itself :B

And on the OP, greys are not endangered. Ethiopian wolves are epic, though.

To a wolf, humans are an enemy if they do not know them positively. A healthy wild wolf will flee from a human walking nearby because they are intelligent enough to know that humans are a top predator, and could kill them, so the best thing to do is to go far away. They do not know about humans saving them, or lack of.

'Worst enemies' is not the right word, then. A healthy wild wolf will flee, not because they 'know' humans are top predators, but because of [i]instinct, like I've said before.
I mentioned that because wolves do not regard us as 'worst enemies', as you had said. You assumably said so as we hunt them. Following the same logic, we should be besties, because we saved them, amirite?

Wolves that are not tame and that are in zoos are not as happy as they would be running in the wild. They become stressed with all the publicity, and flee to their den when a human enters their enclosure. On the other hand, tame and hand-raised wolves enjoy the company of the people who looked after them, because then they view them as part of their pack and not a dangerous predator to them. Still, the wolves do not particularly enjoy being stared and screamed at by guests.

I know of hardly any wolves in zoos that were brought in from the wild. That's why I brought it up. As you said, they enjoy living in a zoo because they know no different. 'Screamed at'? What? Last time I went to the zoo, people were watching animals behind fences, quite a distance away, and certainly not screaming at the animals. Most animals have a private part of their exhibits whe they can hide if they don't like the staring, which I doubt they would notice, as they don't hold staring contests with visitors. They would rather eat or sleep.

If you were to put a truly wild wolf into a zoo, it would be like torture, that wolf would have known the freedom that had been taken away from it. It would be scared and depressed, which is why it is not often you see animals that have been taken out of the wild and put into zoos because it is cruel and stressful for the animal. Wolves are not stupid, and they would know the difference of being captive and wild, as long as they have experienced being wild.

Not like torture, the wolf would be confused, but would adapt. From the way I said it, I thought it was kind of clear I meant captive-born wolves. It is not cruel, but can be stressful. They don't just pick up a random animal from the wild and drop it in the zoo. Usually transfers from the wild to zoos is If they need to be relocated. Again, wolves rely on instinct and know not the difference, all it is to them is new scenery, strange smells, strange new place.

And yes, the best way to find out about an animal is to think like they would, I'm not ashamed of that. And what you say about you near hating the wolves is ridiculous, you shouldn't start to hate an animal just because some people worship it and make annoying comments, that's not right.

Think like they would=think from natural instinct.
It's my opinion; don't like it; deal with it bro. I am respectfully showing you holes in your way of thinking. I'm not always right, neither are you. I like civil debates where both sides debate respectfully.

And no, the North American Grey Wolf is not endangered in it's main country, but some are, such as the Mexican Grey Wolf which is extinct in the wild. Red wolves and Etheopian wolves are critically endangered. A few species are extinct.

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[Sunfang]

Wolves in general? Or grey wolves?

Greys used to be my favorite animal, until I met wolfaboos. It may sound mean and unfair to wolves, but, sorry that's just how it happened. I am (still) a wolf lover whom supports regulated hunting, conservation through zoos/parks, and etc of grey wolves. But it gets tiring being told why wolves are SO much better than every other animal on Earth. Do I still like greys? Yes. Do they need help: No, put your efforts on animals who are going to become extinct.

Endangered wolves, on the other hand, wolfaboos did not ruin. Arabian, Mexican, Iberian, Ethiopian and the likes need help via protection and conservation, not hate because of wolfaboos.

tl;dr

I like wolves, and support population control of greys and conservation/protection of endangered wolves. But wolfaboos are starting to kill greys for me, and need to know there are many more animals out there in need of protection/saving than the grey.

[Tussle]

Wolves are just another animal in the massive collection of creatures on Earth. They're quite beautiful and all that stuff, but also rather overrated.
Red and Ethiopian wolves are endangered and I support saving them.
Grey wolves are not endangered and I support the RESPECTFUL hunting of them. Taking their meat, fur and bones, all you can and leaving nothing behind, no poaching out of their season, no killing them during mating season (might kill a pregant she-wolf), and giving the upmost respect to the animal you killed.

I also disagree with aerial hunting as it takes out the "sport" part in hunting. Where is the challenge and becoming one with nature inside a helicopter?! It's lazy and from what I heard, barely makes a clean shot.

So, long story short;
going to kill wolves? Do it with respect, only non-endangered speices and NOT in a helicopter.

[Zarago]

Actually, to a wolf, humans are their most formidable enemy. They will run away from a human until there is no longer any proof of them being close by, and yet they are less afraid of bears, a much stronger and more aggressive predator. As I said, wolves do not know the difference between a person who is out to get them or out to save them, they are all the same to a wolf.

Thankfully, stealing animals from the wild and selling them to places like zoos is banned in most countries, but it still does happen, mostly illegally. I am not saying that it happens all the time, I was just pointing out to Annabeth101 how stressed and upset those animals would be. I have been to many zoos, and there is often just a pane of glass between the animals and the guests. This glass doesn't seem to affect most of the animals, they learn to ignore the screaming, but if it was a wild-born animal, can you imagine the stress that it would be going through? I've seen hand-raised tigers pacing up and down because of children yelling and screaming whenever it moved.

If a wild wolf were to be introduced into a zoo (say to recover from an injury or just for the seller to gain some money from it) the worst thing for it would be to be kept in a restricted area surrounded by people which it had learnt to fear. It would be torture until the wolf would of found a place where it feels safer than other places. You can never fully tame a wild animal, and being stared and pointed at is not a way to start.

Think like they would=think from natural instinct.
It's my opinion; don't like it; deal with it bro. I am respectfully showing you holes in your way of thinking. I'm not always right, neither are you. I like civil debates where both sides debate respectfully.

You know, that is what everyone says when they start arguing with me on these sorts of topics. It's things like "deal with it" or "get over it", and it is very immature. To me, I have no holes in my way of thinking, because it's my opinion and I'm satisfied with it.

I know you said "greys", but I said North American Grey wolves because that is the wolf that most "wolfaboos" think about when they start their immature and annoying conversations.

Wolves in general? Or grey wolves?

Greys used to be my favorite animal, until I met wolfaboos. It may sound mean and unfair to wolves, but, sorry that's just how it happened. I am (still) a wolf lover whom supports regulated hunting, conservation through zoos/parks, and etc of grey wolves. But it gets tiring being told why wolves are SO much better than every other animal on Earth. Do I still like greys? Yes. Do they need help: No, put your efforts on animals who are going to become extinct.

Endangered wolves, on the other hand, wolfaboos did not ruin. Arabian, Mexican, Iberian, Ethiopian and the likes need help via protection and conservation, not hate because of wolfaboos.

tl;dr

I like wolves, and support population control of greys and conservation/protection of endangered wolves. But wolfaboos are starting to kill greys for me, and need to know there are many more animals out there in need of protection/saving than the grey.

I do not support the hunting of wolves, even if it is just for population reasons. Killing an animal to maintain populations is like people culling people to maintain populations. Just because an animal is not as clever as we are, and cannot speak like the way we do doesn't give us the right to cull it. That is the way I view it.

And, I'm sorry that the idiocy of "wolfaboos" have ruined the Grey Wolf, but no matter what they say about this magnificent animal to make people not like it because of it's popularity among these people, I will never stop trying to protect all the varieties.

[woofers.]

In my opinion I love Wolves, but I, a Wolf lover, think that Wolves are over-rated. I am also not a Wolf-a-boo (Wolf lovers that go on and on about how Wolves need our help ect) I care for other animals, such as Sharks. I Even though I am scared to death of them.
So to round it all up: I like Wolves but they are to over-rated.

[Sunfang]

I do not support the hunting of wolves, even if it is just for population reasons. Killing an animal to maintain populations is like people culling people to maintain populations. Just because an animal is not as clever as we are, and cannot speak like the way we do doesn't give us the right to cull it. That is the way I view it.

So we should let their population get out of control, causing possible starvation due to the large population of wolves in an area because the local wolf pop. has damaged the local game pop.?
Why protect an animal that is not endangered when there are so many other animals that are teetering to extinction?

In all honesty Zarago, I used to think the same way you did. I -loved- wolves (I still do). But wolfaboos DID make me turn my back on what was my favorite animal on Earth. I know it's stupid, but after watching conversations and being in conversations with wolfaboos, I became ashamed of liking greys.

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Really, my rage is that people ONLY want to protect grey wolves, and forget about the subspecies that are endangered, like Iberians and Arabians, Reds, Mexicans, Ethiopians.

I don't have anything against greys, they are beautiful animals, and I still love them.

[Zarago]

I do not support the hunting of wolves, even if it is just for population reasons. Killing an animal to maintain populations is like people culling people to maintain populations. Just because an animal is not as clever as we are, and cannot speak like the way we do doesn't give us the right to cull it. That is the way I view it.

So we should let their population get out of control, causing possible starvation due to the large population of wolves in an area because the local wolf pop. has damaged the local game pop.?
Why protect an animal that is not endangered when there are so many other animals that are teetering to extinction?

In all honesty Zarago, I used to think the same way you did. I -loved- wolves (I still do). But wolfaboos DID make me turn my back on what was my favorite animal on Earth. I know it's stupid, but after watching conversations and being in conversations with wolfaboos, I became ashamed of liking greys.

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Really, my rage is that people ONLY want to protect grey wolves, and forget about the subspecies that are endangered, like Iberians and Arabians, Reds, Mexicans, Ethiopians.

I don't have anything against greys, they are beautiful animals, and I still love them.

I am not saying that I want them to get out of control, but it is just a horrible thought. Wolves die of illness, old age, and hunting, injuries and other things. Wolves are not everywhere, and if one area becomes over-populated then they should be darted and moved to an area lacking wolves. Wolves that become problems (coming into human settlements regularly) should be removed from the area and moved to somewhere without humans, deeper into the wilderness and microchipped. If they continue to come back, ignoring shooting noises and human shouts, then that is when I believe a wolf can be removed from the ecosystem, because it has become fine with human contact, and may start taking advantage of livestock.

When a wolf is killed, like Zigzag.Zirk said, every single piece of it should be used and it should be treated with the upmost respect, not waved around in a bar at the end of a hunting trip to show it off.

And Howling-Wolf, wolves may be overrated on the internet, but in real life, I have had no positive comments on wolves apart from my own. People say that they are cruel and evil, but they are just ignorant. So where I am, which is Great Britain, wolves are not liked animals, and are actually underrated.

Here is a site that they need to read.

http://dclwolf.homestead.com/truewolves.html

[Zarago]

Woops, editing a post and double posted instead, ignore this.