pound rarity odds.

[incognito!]

if this has already been mentioned/discussed, sorry! i dont have the time to read every page

how is this data collected? i cant imagine julia and others manually count out all 1000+ pets in the adoption group every time 😭 ive been very curious how you guys do this ever since i first found this thread! the data is very nice to see laid out though

5. Check to see if someone else has beaten me to the punch before posting

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yes, i do much the same. first I do pageSize=(whatever the number in the adoption group is). I then use the CS Helper google chrome extension, and a tip to make it even quicker instead of subtracting is this: you can check the boxes for each rarity (EU and under) as if they're your pets and you're going to select them to move them to another group, and at the bottom it'll say "select __ pets" at the bottom and that gives you the total of EU and under easily. then i just use a calculator to get the percentages and round to 2 sig figs

[rybka]

i'm team "temporary rareless / common only pound" rather than temporarily closing it and just having the l&f.

a. not sure if this is a me problem or a common problem, but there's a lot of decidedly not rare pets i've missed that i'd love to collect, but i often end up forsaking them when they appear in the pound in favour of something that looks like it might be a rare. and often i either misunderstand and get an uncommon w/ a design i don't really like as a result, or miss both. a rareless pound sounds quite exciting in this regard ahaha

b. people have mentioned that the pound is a big reason users visit cs, so if it closes, especially if it's for an uncertain amount of time, there's the risk of users leaving and not coming back. ofc there's also this risk with a rareless pound, but i assume (at least based on the majority of trading rules i've interacted with) that, in general, there's more demand for common pets with good designs than there is for items, no?

[Pyca]

I didn't think about a temporarily rareless pound. I think that is a GREAT idea! It would make it so we could still have the pound, while it can continue to fill up with more rare pounds!

Forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=5031985

I went ahead and made a discussion form specifically for the current very rare drought for the pound. Someone on this forum had asked for one to be made so I went ahead and took charge on it.

[LadyoftheGeneral]

maybe I'm in a very unpopular opinion group here, but I kind of wish they'd turn the pound off for a while. Like others have pointed out; it's one of the biggest reasons people still get on to check the site. I do some trading here and there, but with my wishlist only being rares+ (I have every extremely uncommon and lower) the site gets boring after an hour or so a day. The chances of helping out my wishlist or getting fodder for my wishlist is what makes me come back several times a day. I don't want to see the rares+ dry up. I also enjoy seeing when newer players talk about getting their first rare+ pet from the pound n whatnot (on the discord server specifically). I don't wanna see that go away. This site is already very new user *un*friendly, and taking away the chance at rare pets in the pound is only going to worsen that. Overall I hope theres some stuff going on behind the scenes to help this issue. I love this site and I worry that this is going to cause it to decrease in popularity slowly.

I wonder if there is a way to temporarily set up the pound for new users only. And I don’t mean any new account, I mean a user with a wishlist of over a certain number of pets, who has over a certain number of pets, over a certain number of commons and very commons, who has been on the site for a certain amount of time, and has made a certain amount of trades. Threshold for each thing to be decided for the admins. This criteria prevents new sock accounts and likely will prohibit the botters, who are all probably unable to fulfill that criteria in some way shape or form. This is probably highly unrealistic and will exclude someone innocent no matter how you slice it, but temporarily restricting who can adopt from the pound might help at least for a little while. It may also be obvious from this comment that I know nothing about how to code, because this may not even be physically possible to do.

[house4hippo]

this is probably going to be a VERY unpopular opinion, but in my eyes treating the pound as some kind of "rares dispenser" kind of goes against the spirit of what it's actually supposed to be--a place to re-distribute pets that have been either donated or taken from banned users so that they're not just sitting in limbo or deleted. that's it. obviously it feels FANTASTIC getting rares+ from it, especially considering the fact that new players often have quite the uphill battle when it comes to obtaining older pets, but that's not it's sole purpose and it doesn't mean there's necessarily anything WRONG with it either when those rares "run out." it's functioning exactly as intended, and while I'm not opposed to some of the short-term changes I've seen proposed as of late, the insistence on there NEEDING to be rares+ in the pound at All Times just seems......a little entitled, for lack of a better word?? I really and truly am not trying to be accusatory or inflammatory towards anyone, I just don't think the situation is that serious lol. I would consider the potential botting stuff to be a WAY more pressing issue tbh. also if I'm being completely honest the idea of "pound exclusive" pets sounds like absolute CHAOS to me, the upcharging of "hard-to-get" recent outcomes is already bad enough tbh could you even imagine what it would be like if something like that existed 😭

[DragonSnake]

this is probably going to be a VERY unpopular opinion, but in my eyes treating the pound as some kind of "rares dispenser" kind of goes against the spirit of what it's actually supposed to be--a place to re-distribute pets that have been either donated or taken from banned users so that they're not just sitting in limbo or deleted. that's it. obviously it feels FANTASTIC getting rares+ from it, especially considering the fact that new players often have quite the uphill battle when it comes to obtaining older pets, but that's not it's sole purpose and it doesn't mean there's necessarily anything WRONG with it either when those rares "run out." it's functioning exactly as intended, and while I'm not opposed to some of the short-term changes I've seen proposed as of late, the insistence on there NEEDING to be rares+ in the pound at All Times just seems......a little entitled, for lack of a better word?? I really and truly am not trying to be accusatory or inflammatory towards anyone, I just don't think the situation is that serious lol. I would consider the potential botting stuff to be a WAY more pressing issue tbh

I am inclined to agree with you... while it is really nice to get something good and I do think it's important to have a way for new players to get a leg up, I have never personally cared that much about the rarity of pets I get from the pound- it's just nice to have a free pet that I wouldn't have gotten otherwise. Statistically, getting good pets from the pound should always be quite a rare occurrence for everyone anyway, since they only make up around 5-10% of the total pets in the pool at any time, based on stats from this thread. I know the majority of people won't see it this way and there will be complaints of people losing interest in the site if they can't get rare pets, and that's okay ^^ I just don't really think it's that big of a deal if there isn't that many rares. I'd rather have pets back in the hands of active players who will appreciate them. I do think investigating potential fraud is a better use of staff's time, and if that means closing down the pound for a little while or doing commons-only that's okay- but I don't think we should necessarily look at it from the angle of 'stocking it back up.' That's just my two cents though!

[BunnyQueenKJ]

this is probably going to be a VERY unpopular opinion, but in my eyes treating the pound as some kind of "rares dispenser" kind of goes against the spirit of what it's actually supposed to be--a place to re-distribute pets that have been either donated or taken from banned users so that they're not just sitting in limbo or deleted. that's it. obviously it feels FANTASTIC getting rares+ from it, especially considering the fact that new players often have quite the uphill battle when it comes to obtaining older pets, but that's not it's sole purpose and it doesn't mean there's necessarily anything WRONG with it either when those rares "run out." it's functioning exactly as intended, and while I'm not opposed to some of the short-term changes I've seen proposed as of late, the insistence on there NEEDING to be rares+ in the pound at All Times just seems......a little entitled, for lack of a better word?? I really and truly am not trying to be accusatory or inflammatory towards anyone, I just don't think the situation is that serious lol. I would consider the potential botting stuff to be a WAY more pressing issue tbh. also if I'm being completely honest the idea of "pound exclusive" pets sounds like absolute CHAOS to me, the upcharging of "hard-to-get" recent outcomes is already bad enough tbh could you even imagine what it would be like if something like that existed 😭

Not completely unpopular. This is exactly how I feel. Its LOVELY getting a rare, but I'm happy to get ANYTHING. They could just not have the pound? Let all these pets get deleted or sit in limbo? But the pound is working as its supposed to. We're out of VRs. It's not the end of the world or the end of CS. The idea that people are taking things with the help of bots and other things might be something to look into? But I'm not entirely sure of the validity of that statement either. We could all be jumping a gun there. But I completely agree. Needing rares and higher feels a bit entitled, again not to accuse anyone or make anyone feel bad at all...
But its FREE pets. FREE being the key word here. And I have to agree that pound exclusive pets sounds like a chaos nightmare. I just want the tree pet from LAST Christmas. No luck.

[LadyoftheGeneral]

this is probably going to be a VERY unpopular opinion, but in my eyes treating the pound as some kind of "rares dispenser" kind of goes against the spirit of what it's actually supposed to be--a place to re-distribute pets that have been either donated or taken from banned users so that they're not just sitting in limbo or deleted. that's it. obviously it feels FANTASTIC getting rares+ from it, especially considering the fact that new players often have quite the uphill battle when it comes to obtaining older pets, but that's not it's sole purpose and it doesn't mean there's necessarily anything WRONG with it either when those rares "run out." it's functioning exactly as intended, and while I'm not opposed to some of the short-term changes I've seen proposed as of late, the insistence on there NEEDING to be rares+ in the pound at All Times just seems......a little entitled, for lack of a better word?? I really and truly am not trying to be accusatory or inflammatory towards anyone, I just don't think the situation is that serious lol. I would consider the potential botting stuff to be a WAY more pressing issue tbh. also if I'm being completely honest the idea of "pound exclusive" pets sounds like absolute CHAOS to me, the upcharging of "hard-to-get" recent outcomes is already bad enough tbh could you even imagine what it would be like if something like that existed 😭

100% agree. The pound-exclusive pets sounds very untenable in the long run, and is only going to drive up artificial supply and demand just like the List did.

[duckblind]

this is probably going to be a VERY unpopular opinion, but in my eyes treating the pound as some kind of "rares dispenser" kind of goes against the spirit of what it's actually supposed to be -snip-

I totally don’t mind not getting rares, but I’ve had a major problem only seeing pets from the past year or so on most of my pages and am just having a hard time finding things I don’t already have to begin with as I don’t hoard- I usually only get left with one or two options of new-to-me pets every few refreshes, and I’ve noticed everything getting taken a lot faster even without lag or older/higher rarity pets, so it’s felt a lot more competitive. I’m mostly hoping for a fix that can address those issues rather than rarity, it just feels like there’s a bit of a disparity somewhere in there that goes beyond rares. Or maybe I’ve just been really unlucky? lol

Edit: i have been able to snag non doubles lately, so maybe i’ve been luckier than i think. but finding them is still a needle in a haystack kinda thing and i hope they can spread out the dates a bit more 🤞

[lil rascal]

I’m not going to clog up the thread by quoting it all but I agree with house4hippo, DragonSnake, BunnyQueenKJ, and LadyoftheGeneral. I don’t understand why the pound can’t be fun even if it’s not full of rare+. Yes it’s nice if you do get lucky with a valuable pet but it’s also nice getting a recent WL pet or a cool or cute extremely common pet that you’d forgotten even existed. I also think pound exclusive pets sounds like a nightmare personally.

I do think that something should be done to help with the lag and the ridiculously fast rate that the pound empties these days (either go back to a longer cool-down period or make it so that you can’t adopt from 2 pound openings in a row) but I don’t think relying on Rares+ from the pound is the way to stimulate the CS economy or revive the player base. For all those saying “what about the newbies?” the chances of a new player beating experienced players to valuable pound pets is extremely low. We’d be far better off helping new players by creating a special welcome pack or encouraging more people to gift to them directly.