Cloverstream wrote:fιяєfℓу wrote:CS is almost 16 years old. I do agree at this point it's quite unrealistic to use the 2:1 rule for rares. A 2009 would be 2 2010 rares, sure semi reasonable. But that would be hundreds of recent rares, which is just ridiculous. They are the same rarity after all. I do believe older rares should mantain a higher status so, I have a suggestion (unsure if this has been suggested before).
We could group rares into different groups, for example:
2008-2011 - Old Rares, Highest Tier, could be like Gold Tier for example (saw this idea somewhere before for lists I think)
2012-2015 - Semi-Old Rares - Silver Tier
2016-2019 - Semi-Recent Rares - Bronze Tier
2020-2023 - Recent Rares - Cooper Tier
Rares in same tier should be able to swap without problem. This is not the same as the "3 year rule", as I do not agree with it. By saying you can trade rares if their difference is less than 3 years you could theoretically trade a 2023 rare for a 2008 rare with just a few trades ( 2023 for 2020, 2020 for 2017 and so on). By keeping the tiers, this grants the older rares which are more likely to turn vr sooner a higher status than recent event pets.
So a Gold Rare could be worth 2 Silver rares, 4 Bronze rares or 8 Cooper rares. Seems way more realistic than a 2008 rare being worth thousands of 2023 rares.
I also agree with the general idea of this system, obv needs more finetuning, but the premise is good.
This could also help with list trading, just like we valued lists in 2009 rares we could now value them in Gold Rares.
this is the best suggestion ive seen. Breaking things down a little without being a ton of rarity math/ confusing. If I have to start using graphs or equations i'm not trading, this is straight forward and reasonable to me.
SolarSonnet wrote:I made a revamp to that above thing because I cannot group 2008 pets with 2009-2011 pets, and I cannot group 2009 pets with 2010-2011 pets.
If someone's expecting even swaps between 2008 and 2011- even just regular rares- I think that's extremely unrealistic and a little ridiculous.
"If I have to start using graphs or equations I'm not trading" also feels unrealistic.
If I don't have to use equations or reference fair trading threads for trades, then I'm not trading.
It's literally why I'm on CS.
I've proposed so many methods at this point, valuing pets anywhere between 23 2023 rares for an 09, all the way to 8 2023 rares for an 09.
Ngl, I think 8 is my lowest. Even in terms of C$, 8 2023 Rares is not worth an 09. (5 C$ per 2023 rare x8 = 40 C$, 09s are 50 C$, so by that logic an 09r would be 10 2023 Rares.)
I also see a lot of claims of "the vast majority of players" dont want to do maths for their trades.
Where are these 'vast majority' of players? The polls sure as heck didn't reflect that.
Because the majority of people with actual ownership of old pets seems to be in some kind of agreement that we need/want rarity maths. And everybody who just wants those pets but doesn't have the means to get them seems to be in the position where they just want to trade low-value stuff for people's high-value stuff. When you're suggesting methods, you have to think "If I had the high-value pet, would I accept this? As well as, "If I had the low-value pet, would I accept this?"
Cloverstream and Inactive, you joined in 2011 and 2012. I'm specifically calling this out because Inactive, you have a golden gacha dog that you want 300 C$ for. Yet you're also out here saying you don't want to use rarity math. Would you be okay with a 1:1 swap of a random 2023 rare for your gold gacha dog?
Cloverstream, the most value you have on your account right 2009 rares and some old stores, along with your warriors collection (which, nice)
Would you be willing to take a 1:1 Swap of a 2010 or 2011 R/VR/ER for one of your warrior cats, if they were for trade?
If not, then neither of you actually agree with that above chart. It just looks nice in theory for things to be so simple.
Granted, there's demand involved that this chart also doesn't take into account, but it is what the chart is suggesting.
Inactive. wrote:Gold Gachas are going for around 1-1.5 MA, equivalent to 300C$.
Henry Creel wrote:Inactive. wrote:Gold Gachas are going for around 1-1.5 MA, equivalent to 300C$.
Do you have any source such as recent successful trades that aren't auctions to confirm this value of the gacha dog? Genuinely curious because i have yet to see recent trades of those and they weren't going for that last time I got to see some in successful trades. They were going for like, a couple older rares at most, when the hype died down a little. And that'd probably be useful as in, to add the golden gacha dog to the list, if thats truly what it goes for.
Henry Creel wrote:Inactive. wrote:Gold Gachas are going for around 1-1.5 MA, equivalent to 300C$.
Do you have any source such as recent successful trades that aren't auctions to confirm this value of the gacha dog? Genuinely curious because i have yet to see recent trades of those and they weren't going for that last time I got to see some in successful trades. They were going for like, a couple older rares at most, when the hype died down a little. And that'd probably be useful as in, to add the golden gacha dog to the list, if thats truly what it goes for.
fιяєfℓу wrote:CS is almost 16 years old. I do agree at this point it's quite unrealistic to use the 2:1 rule for rares. A 2009 would be 2 2010 rares, sure semi reasonable. But that would be hundreds of recent rares, which is just ridiculous. They are the same rarity after all. I do believe older rares should mantain a higher status so, I have a suggestion (unsure if this has been suggested before).
We could group rares into different groups, for example:
2008-2011 - Old Rares, Highest Tier, could be like Gold Tier for example (saw this idea somewhere before for lists I think)
2012-2015 - Semi-Old Rares - Silver Tier
2016-2019 - Semi-Recent Rares - Bronze Tier
2020-2023 - Recent Rares - Cooper Tier
Rares in same tier should be able to swap without problem. This is not the same as the "3 year rule", as I do not agree with it. By saying you can trade rares if their difference is less than 3 years you could theoretically trade a 2023 rare for a 2008 rare with just a few trades ( 2023 for 2020, 2020 for 2017 and so on). By keeping the tiers, this grants the older rares which are more likely to turn vr sooner a higher status than recent event pets.
So a Gold Rare could be worth 2 Silver rares, 4 Bronze rares or 8 Cooper rares. Seems way more realistic than a 2008 rare being worth thousands of 2023 rares.
This could also help with list trading, just like we valued lists in 2009 rares we could now value them in Gold Rares.
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