Rarity system updated to add 4 new categories!

[laila,]

> all of cs atm: "oh no... our rarity system... it's broken..."

> ahem, anyways, in all seriousness i don't care for this update. i feel like every
single pet has been either overvalued, or undervalued, and that the list system
that we were all used to using has been completely disregarded.. the market is
completely flooded with omgsrs now and pets that actually had value before? i
can't see them being traded for fairly anymore. it's ridiculous.

> i'm calling it now: the rarity system will be reworked again in a month's time.
this way is just too severely broken.

i disagree, this shows to me that our OLD system was extremely broken. we now have more accurate depictions of the rarities of these pets, many of which were seriously undervalued for years.

this, big time. not to mention the list was discontinued four years ago, and was never really a tangible point of rarity in the first place IMO. i always felt like it was just created for certain people to have a sense of superiority, not to make trading easier or more accessible for everyone.

op was talking about horror's list, the one horror spent forever on that was fair
to everyone involved. not the one used by certain people to have an advantage
over others. in the case of horror's list op is completely correct, market is flooded
and the pricing is completely up in the air.

as far as omgsr goes, what about the ones that were already valuable enough to
be considered omgsr?? should they not then have their own tier now?? saturation
of rarity has meant that valuable pets no longer have value at all and pets have
a comparable rarity now to things they used to never be in the same category as
before. make it make sense or don't make it at all.

[.Kira Nightblade.]

Just throwing my opinion out there, the extra tiers for uncommon and below were not needed
Like many other people have voiced, trading those will now become more complicated for basically no reason.

I love the colors/new style(s) though XD

Also I'm glad that CS seems to be putting more effort into listening to users! Even if the update wasn't what everyone expected, I think we should all applaud the fact that they're trying something.

[dunmer]

Just throwing my opinion out there, the extra tiers for uncommon and below were not needed
Like many other people have voiced, trading those will now become more complicated for basically no reason.

I love the colors/new style(s) though XD

Also I'm glad that CS seems to be putting more effort into listening to users! Even if the update wasn't what everyone expected, I think we should all applaud the fact that they're trying something.

I like the newer tiers! Even though they're arguably not as important as the higher rarity tiers, I still like knowing where my pets (or desired pets) fall on the spectrum of rarity. But I'm also a very particular person, so that might be why

EDIT: Also, as for the whole "there's a lot more omgsrs now" thing, I think that's a good thing. The previous system was very inaccurate. "Very rare" encompassed such a large swath of pets that subrarities practically already existed. I like the more precise version, as it allows for a more statistical view (i.e. how many exist out of x pets or whatever). The only reason to be upset about it would be because pets whose worth was inflated by being the same rarity as other pets that were in actuality worth more have seen their worth be 'reduced'.

[marmoris]

as far as omgsr goes, what about the ones that were already valuable enough to
be considered omgsr?? should they not then have their own tier now?? saturation
of rarity has meant that valuable pets no longer have value at all and pets have
a comparable rarity now to things they used to never be in the same category as
before. make it make sense or don't make it at all.

"make it make sense" well that's the thing! the old rarity system was outdated and improperly valued pets. it is a change all of us must adapt to. is the site as a whole, specifically the staff who may have been in charge or arranging this update, supposed to say "well, because a user made a list, we can't accurately depict pets rarity more clearly because it will be unfortunate for them."? the majority vote was to add new rarities to more accurately show pets rarity difference. the system was always far too limited for how many pets the site has, honestly. if you ask me, this whole thing reeks of the elitism people hated so much several years ago. more people were given the chance to have rarity variety from rare-OMGSR, so what's the issue? it will take time for the trading economy to make sense again and i am sure most people including myself will make some trades that dont make sense and may not be accurate in a few months time but thats always been the case as long-term risk sort of issue.

EDIT: Also, as for the whole "there's a lot more omgsrs now" thing, I think that's a good thing. The previous system was very inaccurate. "Very rare" encompassed such a large swath of pets that subrarities practically already existed. I like the more precise version, as it allows for a more statistical view (i.e. how many exist out of x pets or whatever). The only reason to be upset about it would be because pets whose worth was inflated by being the same rarity as other pets that were in actuality worth more have seen their worth be 'reduced'.

agreed!

[Aminalyr]

As for how it will work out, we’ll have to wait and see, but I’m glad they are making an effort to improve things <3
I adore the new bar for customs though it’s super cute.

I went to excitedly look through my pet groups since people are saying they’re so many more omg so rare pets now. I think it’s funny that I still don’t have a single pet in that category 🤣 (Joined CS 7 years ago)

[Sashtato]

as far as omgsr goes, what about the ones that were already valuable enough to
be considered omgsr?? should they not then have their own tier now?? saturation
of rarity has meant that valuable pets no longer have value at all and pets have
a comparable rarity now to things they used to never be in the same category as
before. make it make sense or don't make it at all.

"make it make sense" well that's the thing! the old rarity system was outdated and improperly valued pets. it is a change all of us must adapt to. is the site as a whole, specifically the staff who may have been in charge or arranging this update, supposed to say "well, because a user made a list, we can't accurately depict pets rarity more clearly because it will be unfortunate for them."? the majority vote was to add new rarities to more accurately show pets rarity difference. the system was always far too limited for how many pets the site has, honestly. if you ask me, this whole thing reeks of the elitism people hated so much several years ago. more people were given the chance to have rarity variety from rare-OMGSR, so what's the issue? it will take time for the trading economy to make sense again and i am sure most people including myself will make some trades that dont make sense and may not be accurate in a few months time but thats always been the case as long-term risk sort of issue.

EDIT: Also, as for the whole "there's a lot more omgsrs now" thing, I think that's a good thing. The previous system was very inaccurate. "Very rare" encompassed such a large swath of pets that subrarities practically already existed. I like the more precise version, as it allows for a more statistical view (i.e. how many exist out of x pets or whatever). The only reason to be upset about it would be because pets whose worth was inflated by being the same rarity as other pets that were in actuality worth more have seen their worth be 'reduced'.

agreed!

I just wanted to pop in and add that you and vehk both said what I'd been trying to type out for hours so well lol. I completely agree with you both!

[foxcloud19]

as far as omgsr goes, what about the ones that were already valuable enough to
be considered omgsr?? should they not then have their own tier now?? saturation
of rarity has meant that valuable pets no longer have value at all and pets have
a comparable rarity now to things they used to never be in the same category as
before. make it make sense or don't make it at all.

"make it make sense" well that's the thing! the old rarity system was outdated and improperly valued pets. it is a change all of us must adapt to. is the site as a whole, specifically the staff who may have been in charge or arranging this update, supposed to say "well, because a user made a list, we can't accurately depict pets rarity more clearly because it will be unfortunate for them."? the majority vote was to add new rarities to more accurately show pets rarity difference. the system was always far too limited for how many pets the site has, honestly. if you ask me, this whole thing reeks of the elitism people hated so much several years ago. more people were given the chance to have rarity variety from rare-OMGSR, so what's the issue? it will take time for the trading economy to make sense again and i am sure most people including myself will make some trades that dont make sense and may not be accurate in a few months time but thats always been the case as long-term risk sort of issue.

EDIT: Also, as for the whole "there's a lot more omgsrs now" thing, I think that's a good thing. The previous system was very inaccurate. "Very rare" encompassed such a large swath of pets that subrarities practically already existed. I like the more precise version, as it allows for a more statistical view (i.e. how many exist out of x pets or whatever). The only reason to be upset about it would be because pets whose worth was inflated by being the same rarity as other pets that were in actuality worth more have seen their worth be 'reduced'.

agreed!

I just wanted to pop in and add that you and vehk both said what I'd been trying to type out for hours so well lol. I completely agree with you both!

Yes! Very well said!

[ShadowKatto]

Has anyone else noticed that the OMG in OMGSR and OMGSC isn’t in all caps? It’s bothering me a bit

[Froggieee]

Has anyone else noticed that the OMG in OMGSR and OMGSC isn’t in all caps? It’s bothering me a bit

I didn’t and now it’s bugging me

[Schuyler]

Overall, I think the update is a change for the better. It's certainly not perfect; I completely understand the concerns about the OMGSR tier. At the same time, though, the rarity labels can only do so much. There's always going to be ambiguity and high-end vs. low-end pets within each tier.

Adjusting the thresholds again would only shift the bloat, not eliminate it: if the threshold were raised for OMGSR, then the now-new-OMGSRs would be lumped into the same tier as the obviously less rare now-ERs instead.

Adding more tiers would make clearer distinctions and I wouldn't necessarily be against it, but then a line still has to be drawn somewhere, and there have been a lot of comments already about an 11 rarity system being too much to keep track of. I agree about distinguishing between the common tiers being less important to trading as a whole, but I think the distinctions are still useful to see when, for example, you want to litter swap for a missed outcome, and that removing tiers from that end to add more to the other wouldn't be the way to go. For some people, the gap between a VC and a EC or an EC and an OMGSC might as well not exist, but for others, it does make a difference. Don't forget that not all trading is done with high value pets.

Personally I'd like to know the threshold numbers, too, to get a better idea of where everything stands relative to the other rarities, but that's not up to me. And it still wouldn't do much to inform us where an individual pet falls within its tier.

Although brainstorming improvements is by no means a bad thing, I think it's also important to keep in mind that no rarity system is ever going to entirely "fix" trading and ultimately the economy is established by the trading userbase and not by staff. The best thing to do at the moment I think is to give it time and let the economy settle a bit, then consider reevaluating the system once we have a better view of exactly where it works and where and how it could do with some more adjustments. Accurately gauging the impact right now is impossible; of course nobody knows how values should be judged at the moment because we're all in the same boat getting used to the change.

All the new OMGSRs are now lumped together with the old ones, which were plainly rarer before, but on the flip side, we can now see that those pets that moved up are rarer than the ones left behind in the ER tier, and that is helpful to know.

I also don't see it as automatically a bad thing to reduce the exclusivity of OMGSR pets. Maaaaybe not quite to the extent that this update gave us, but in my opinion having the OMGSR tier be some extremely elite, nearly unattainable God-tier that only a tiny handful of pets fall into really isn't how it should work. There shouldn't be a sudden skyrocket in value at the end of the scale. All things considered, I think it's definitely a step in the right direction to have the rarest tier more widely spread, and for the rarity distribution in general to be more of an gradual slope than all being bunched up in the middle like before. There have been a lot of people expressing excitement about finally having an OMGSR, and that's great for them!