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Poll ended at Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:06 pm

Keep the current categories, but spread pets out more across the categories we have
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Add a new "very uncommon" rarity category
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Add four new rarity categories
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Total votes : 5068

Re: We need your feedback on an update to the rarity system!

Postby foxcloud19 » Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:09 am

Iwein wrote:in regards to pets "losing value" and feeling like you paid too much for the pet, consider this: without change, you will continue to pay more than what the pet you want is worth.
yes, you might have paid for a VR and now it's sitting at R. that is frustrating. but in the future, the VR you always wanted is now a R and thus easier to get. and it's not like all pets will suddenly go down a tier, there's plenty chance that the UC you currently have and traded for will get a higher tier.


Very much agree here! I think those that are voting against the 4 rarities because they’re worried it will decrease some of their pets’ values are kind of missing the point. Obviously, that will be somewhat frustrating, but it will be happening to everyone and we’ll also be getting some of our pets that will increase in value. If we were to keep things the same or only make small changes, pets’ demand and cost will continue to get worse and worse. We absolutely need a change to help with this and I think 4 new rarities will help. It doesn’t solve the problem, but it certainly helps and it will be up to us to make the changes in trading. Change has to happen or we risk making this game impossible for future players.
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Re: We need your feedback on an update to the rarity system!

Postby samiam52900 » Sat Aug 19, 2023 4:32 am

Personally I couldn’t care less about the rarity changes that will come from it, but my concern is just how many more pets you will need in order to trade up to a rare, especially if you are trying to collect one of each? Where are the new players supposed to get all the dozens of extra pets just to trade up to a rare? Not to mention the journey to get a rare will be so much longer. And on top of that, people already dislike bulk trades, wont this make that worse and more confusing?

On the other side of things, I have way too many pets. I am not about to trade down my rares for more common pets I don’t want when I am already trying to get rid of a lot.

Does no one think this will make inflation worse? It’s simply printing more money by adding 4 new rarities, that isn’t how you solve inflation but make it worse

Also, how do I change my vote? What is the point of a discussion if I can’t change my vote?
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Re: We need your feedback on an update to the rarity system!

Postby Lex. » Sat Aug 19, 2023 4:41 am

samiam52900 wrote:Personally I couldn’t care less about the rarity changes that will come from it, but my concern is just how many more pets you will need in order to trade up to a rare, especially if you are trying to collect one of each? Where are the new players supposed to get all the dozens of extra pets just to trade up to a rare? Not to mention the journey to get a rare will be so much longer. And on top of that, people already dislike bulk trades, wont this make that worse and more confusing?

On the other side of things, I have way too many pets. I am not about to trade down my rares for more common pets I don’t want when I am already trying to get rid of a lot.

Does no one think this will make inflation worse? It’s simply printing more money by adding 4 new rarities, that isn’t how you solve inflation but make it worse

Also, how do I change my vote? What is the point of a discussion if I can’t change my vote?


Not sure what you mean by this? You don't have to trade down your rares if you don't want to. And by adding new rarities, it's not "printing money" [not sure what is meant by that?], it's just shifting the rarities to actually represent each pet better according to it's amount in game. It's not changing anything really, just the rarity bars. It also would help on a significant level to curb demand as a LOT of pets that are being upsold purely because of demand will lose rarity [It helps because if it looses rarity, people will realize it's way more common than they were being made to believe, so theres no need to overpay any ridiculous amount.] And if MORE pets are going to be needed to trade up to rare as you said, then it just means that the rarities are working. The trade now that would get you a rare [according to your example] wouldn't be fair for the person with the rare anyway [As after the rarity update you would need to add more]. That's why the rarity update is so important.

foxcloud19 wrote:
Iwein wrote:in regards to pets "losing value" and feeling like you paid too much for the pet, consider this: without change, you will continue to pay more than what the pet you want is worth.
yes, you might have paid for a VR and now it's sitting at R. that is frustrating. but in the future, the VR you always wanted is now a R and thus easier to get. and it's not like all pets will suddenly go down a tier, there's plenty chance that the UC you currently have and traded for will get a higher tier.


Very much agree here! I think those that are voting against the 4 rarities because they’re worried it will decrease some of their pets’ values are kind of missing the point. Obviously, that will be somewhat frustrating, but it will be happening to everyone and we’ll also be getting some of our pets that will increase in value. If we were to keep things the same or only make small changes, pets’ demand and cost will continue to get worse and worse. We absolutely need a change to help with this and I think 4 new rarities will help. It doesn’t solve the problem, but it certainly helps and it will be up to us to make the changes in trading. Change has to happen or we risk making this game impossible for future players.


But foxcloud19 worded it perfectly here, just above!
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Re: We need your feedback on an update to the rarity system!

Postby angst » Sat Aug 19, 2023 5:02 am

samiam52900 wrote:Personally I couldn’t care less about the rarity changes that will come from it, but my concern is just how many more pets you will need in order to trade up to a rare, especially if you are trying to collect one of each? Where are the new players supposed to get all the dozens of extra pets just to trade up to a rare? Not to mention the journey to get a rare will be so much longer. And on top of that, people already dislike bulk trades, wont this make that worse and more confusing?

On the other side of things, I have way too many pets. I am not about to trade down my rares for more common pets I don’t want when I am already trying to get rid of a lot.

Does no one think this will make inflation worse? It’s simply printing more money by adding 4 new rarities, that isn’t how you solve inflation but make it worse

Also, how do I change my vote? What is the point of a discussion if I can’t change my vote?


Wow this is super interesting to me - I feel like it would be SOOOO much easier to trade up to a rare with new uncommon specifics! Like, right now it's really hard to justify trading down a rare for random uncommons, but if you know you're trading for pets that are close to being rare anyway it makes it easier. I would love to have my uncommons sorted into new categories so I can make better offers for rares and actually trade up.

This is so fascinating to me. I can only imagine trading will become easier with more specifics.
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Re: We need your feedback on an update to the rarity system!

Postby samiam52900 » Sat Aug 19, 2023 5:33 am

I guess I kinda just see it as black and white… I couldn’t care less if a pet is one number shy of being a rare or not. It is still not a rare. Why not get rid of the rarities all together then? I have never played based on the amount of pets there are, simply the demand. So it doesn’t matter that the ops bear is a rare, the demand for it is high not because there are only a few of them, but because it is PPS and a bear and cute. The specifics of the pet wont go away. It could be a very common, and it would still be more valuable than an uncommon even possibly rare pony.


It is “printing more money” and worsens inflation because it decreases the value of pets even more. It might be fine if we didn’t already have inflation especially with C$. C$ has no real value because sure you can buy 380 C$ for 20 $, but I can just as easily sell a token for 5C$ on the first day of an event, and make that super fast. And then store pets are worth 80-100 C$, but a 2023 rare is worth next to nothing while a list pet is worth 2k C$, but somehow 20 omgscommons will now be worth 1 omgsr? The whole currency system is chaos, and that matters because the pets are also a primary form of currency. The simple example of decreasing physica Rarity is proven to not help with the store pets. They are next to never VR anymore. But it hasn’t changed how much people still want them

My point is we are already trying to build a house on sand, adding 4 more rarities will simply turn it into quick sand
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Re: We need your feedback on an update to the rarity system!

Postby Maligator » Sat Aug 19, 2023 5:42 am

angst wrote:-snip-
This is so fascinating to me. I can only imagine trading will become easier with more specifics.



Same here. I’m practically foaming at the mouth to see this change implemented. I feel like rarities are just incomplete right now, and I have felt that for a while. With the addition of these new rarities, trading up feels like it will be easier because there will be less of a gap between the rarities.

It will feel like less of a jump down if I trade my rares down for “Extremely Uncommon(or whatever)” pets. Sure, if you decide to trade up to very rare with only commons it would be a lot of pets that you would need to trade for just one pet, but usually people don’t often do that anyways? It just makes sense to put in the time to gradually climb the rarities. I don’t see how that would be much of an issue because commons are very easy to achieve and get lots of. Even if you newly join and never trade at all, it would only take a couple of months of adopting monthlies to build up enough fodder to slowly trade up. Time is all it takes, and honestly that’s how games should work anyways; spend time and effort in return for in-game things. This is just going to make it so that the gaps between rarities that already exist are bridged.
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Re: We need your feedback on an update to the rarity system!

Postby samiam52900 » Sat Aug 19, 2023 5:55 am

My mind hasn’t changed at all, but one thing I am learning is that there is no point in trying to reason anymore. There’s no point to having a discussion, government is government. There is no point in this discussion as the votes are quite literally set in stone so even if I wanted to change my vote it doesn’t matter. And as well the one outnumbers the other. I don’t care at all anymore and I’m just waiting for the last straw to quit.

At this point I just want the staff to quit dragging their feet and Change it already. Let’s hurry up with this salvation or demise. Every other change in the past has been a pretty clear demise though so at least let’s be quick about it.
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Re: We need your feedback on an update to the rarity system!

Postby Verd » Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:02 am

samiam52900 wrote:My mind hasn’t changed at all, but one thing I am learning is that there is no point in trying to reason anymore. There’s no point to having a discussion, government is government. There is no point in this discussion as the votes are quite literally set in stone so even if I wanted to change my vote it doesn’t matter. And as well the one outnumbers the other. I don’t care at all anymore and I’m just waiting for the last straw to quit.

At this point I just want the staff to quit dragging their feet and Change it already. Let’s hurry up with this salvation or demise. Every other change in the past has been a pretty clear demise though so at least let’s be quick about it.

This seems to be a bit of a dramatic take on the subject, this is an adoptable pets website, not a dictatorship. If you cast your vote without thinking too much about it, that's kind of on you. Whatever the staff end up deciding to do, I'll be happy to see any updates at all.
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Re: We need your feedback on an update to the rarity system!

Postby Maligator » Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:05 am

samiam52900 wrote:I guess I kinda just see it as black and white… I couldn’t care less if a pet is one number shy of being a rare or not. It is still not a rare. Why not get rid of the rarities all together then? I have never played based on the amount of pets there are, simply the demand. So it doesn’t matter that the ops bear is a rare, the demand for it is high not because there are only a few of them, but because it is PPS and a bear and cute. The specifics of the pet wont go away. It could be a very common, and it would still be more valuable than an uncommon even possibly rare pony.


It is “printing more money” and worsens inflation because it decreases the value of pets even more. It might be fine if we didn’t already have inflation especially with C$. C$ has no real value because sure you can buy 380 C$ for 20 $, but I can just as easily sell a token for 5C$ on the first day of an event, and make that super fast. And then store pets are worth 80-100 C$, but a 2023 rare is worth next to nothing while a list pet is worth 2k C$, but somehow 20 omgscommons will now be worth 1 omgsr? The whole currency system is chaos, and that matters because the pets are also a primary form of currency. The simple example of decreasing physica Rarity is proven to not help with the store pets. They are next to never VR anymore. But it hasn’t changed how much people still want them

My point is we are already trying to build a house on sand, adding 4 more rarities will simply turn it into quick sand



Demand and rarity are two totally different things. Just because you don’t care about rarity as much as demand/don’t care how close to rare the uncommon pet is doesn't mean that everyone else is the same. Pets are only going to seemingly decrease in value. Demand will always be a factor with or without this change, but it’s important for numbers to be a factor as well.

Imagine this; someone has gems that they are selling. One of the gemstones is plastic, one of them is Quartz, and one of them is diamond. Quartz is significantly more sought after and hard to come by than plastic, but significantly less sought after and hard to come by as diamonds, so it is considered a middle tier between the two. Each of them are of a different category or “rarity “, so to speak. Let’s say every type of gemstone gets grouped into one of these three categories.
Here’s the problem… white sapphire is much less valuable than diamond, but much more valuable than quartz. However, under current conditions, it can only be grouped into one of those groups as there is no category that accurately reflects its value. It can either be under the Diamond category which is too high, or the quartz category which is too low. As a result, it’s supported into whichever group its closest to… however, that is still not accurate at all. This is kind of what is happening with pets here. We are grouping pets in with rarities that don’t accurately match the value.

If you are simply unhappy that this change is happening/ you just simply have an opinion that overlooks the logic used in this discussion of adding the rarities, than there really isn’t much more to it. Because this is, in fact, a discussion, there is going to be varying opinions; It is commonly for there to be a majority vote in these types of things that we may or may not agree with. Based on the reasoning and facts presented, you can either agree or disagree, and that’s absolutely fine! The point of the discussion is not to change anybody’s mind, it’s to express opinions and reason for those opinions. If it sticks, great! If not, oh well. At the end of the day, the change that the majority of users + the staff thinks is the best option will be implemented. This is for the better of the site as a whole, not too cater to everyone.
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Re: We need your feedback on an update to the rarity system!

Postby ratty_tamajinn » Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:21 am

Wow Maligator, that is a very smart analogy. Certainly put things in a different light for me. Thank you for your thoughtful comment.
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