Pardon C$ Debt

[Gøre]

support & agree with lex. & kreideprinnz 100% we dont deserve to get treated like this, ESPECIALLY since we spend our own irl hard earned money. if anything, refund us with the c$ or just give us our irl currency back if youre gonna take stuff from us

[Cygnetta]

support & agree with lex. & kreideprinnz 100% we dont deserve to get treated like this, ESPECIALLY since we spend our own irl hard earned money. if anything, refund us with the c$ or just give us our irl currency back if youre gonna take stuff from us

I don't think it's fair to frame this as "taking stuff". They are reversing the hard work of trading, and perhaps values have changed since the trade, but overall, the system is not meant to take anything, just swap things of (ideally) equal value. This is why if we only pardon C$ debt, it's unfair to the folks who got reverse-traded C$ but lost pets, since these folks don't get anything back. As in my previous post, I support replicating everything for the hacked user and staying away from reversed trades altogether.

[Darni]

Agree with kreideprinnz, we could have NEVER expected all of this. To say that we only want pets to be duplicated and for c$ balances to be regenerated because we only want to exploit the system is rude if anything.
We were all unknowing victims to this and we don't deserve to be punished in this way. [/gen]

Literally feels like you're being absolutely kicked when you're down and then blaming you for the problem. Nobody was SEEKING OUT HACKERS because there's no way to know if the account was hacked until AFTER the deal is done. If I got traded a gift or traded for a pet or art (though artists are more likely compensated) a week ago I would have gladly accepted without a second thought because people do that stuff ALL THE TIME ON THE SITE. Nobody knowingly was trading hackers and it's weird to boil it down to people who are victims of something that isn't their fault want to exploit.

[cribunni]

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I don't think it's fair to frame this as "taking stuff". They are reversing the hard work of trading, and perhaps values have changed since the trade, but overall, the system is not meant to take anything, just swap things of (ideally) equal value. This is why if we only pardon C$ debt, it's unfair to the folks who got reverse-traded C$ but lost pets, since these folks don't get anything back. As in my previous post, I support replicating everything for the hacked user and staying away from reversed trades altogether.

yes, i agree! i think the easiest way to avoid the messiness of these reversals would be to dupe the loss for the hacked account as well. though if that proves not to be possible, i think those in c$ debt are in more need of compensation than those who have lost pets/items, just because that could involve real money ^^ /gen

edit: in all my years on cs, i'd never even heard of a reversed trade until a few days ago. it's quite alarming that this has become such an issue as of late, but i'm sure that staff will find a suitable solution!

[Shooting Stars]

Please don't be rude. Nobody but the admins has any control or knowledge about what's going on, and I'm just trying to clear up misinformation and explain why it isn't as easy as simply generating hundreds of C$. I understand the frustration but even if that were the fix-all solution, I don't have the power to do it.

In that vein I'm seeing a couple of posts again that are implying artists might be put out of payment - this is not true, if you had an art/adopt payment reversed please send in a ticket.

I wasn't suggesting that you personally fix anything. But pardoning debt IS the solution and shouldn't be labelled as a band-aid fix.
If debt were just set back to 0, than the CS economy won't be affected in anyway since it be impossible to spend that generated C$. (if one could really call it actual C$ since it's not spendable or tradable in anyway) Revenue wouldn't be lost either, since again, that C$ isn't usable.
And a few hundred C$ to restore original balances isn't going to inflate the economy even more, especially if the hacked/reversed C$ came from inactive accounts

Plus I feel it would be just incredibly obvious if someone was trying to exploit the system, similar to multiple accounting for December 18th

edit - If generating new C$ really is such a major problem,
why not pull the C$ from permanently banned accounts, or maybe even the store itself? Recirculate what already exists (unless the C$ is just deleted)

[PinkAngel]

I do agree that the site is not necessarily taking stuff, they are simply reversing the trade. But because Member 2 spent the C$ they received from Member 1, someone has to eat-the-cost and therefore Member 2 is the one who must eat the cost. As technically it is seen as them spending C$ they never had.

Perhaps the staff sees the negative C$ similar to Member 2 using a credit card/loan. You can use a credit card/loan to get the items/pets/etc that you want, but that debt does not disappear and must be repaid down the line. (just without interest).

I am certain there are players who would have refrained from spending C$ they received if they knew that debt was a possibility?

I assume pardoning debt is not cost-effective for the ChickenSmoothie website, as C$ is a premium currency which perhaps costs actual money to generate? Though this is merely a theory?

I understand that if C$ debt is pardoned that it would mean Member 2 basically benefited by getting “free” pets/items, but it would be at the websites expense, and should be at the websites.

I am unsure how pardoning debt can lead to exploitation, as all debt would be reset to 0. The only way I see exploitation continuing with C$ is if there is still hacking occurring that would lead to reverse trades and lead to continued debt? Which would lead to questions as to why trading is not temporarily frozen until the admin/staff can figure out a solution. (But I won’t entertain the idea as it does not pertain to this topic)

Not sure if any of this makes sense as it is late and I am tired. (There is no anger/nor intention to be rude/mean in my message as it is hard to read emotion/tone through text. Just sharing my thoughts/opinion.)

[pandaa]

i dunno, but it just kind of feels weird to me- like the person going into a c$ trade isn’t expecting it to get reversed obviously- so making them go into debt feel weird?? like it’s their c$ now??? that’s kind of the whole point of the trade, that said c$ is now theirs and making them go into debt feels off??? i dunno this whole situation feels really shady /gen

[Neku]

Full support.

I've seen people saying that "if people get their C$ debt pardoned, then it's unfair to people who lost pets" and yes. It is. This whole situation is incredibly unfair.

But you cannot and should not be comparing the value of CS pets to C$. C$ is a real premium currency, paid for with real cash. CS Pets are, at the end of the day, free art. There's someone out there who was 4000 C$ in debt, which amounts to roughly $260. There's a user who was put $260 real dollars into debt. That person would either have to spend $260 dollars to get their balance back to zero, or spend the time and effort finding people willing to trade for the pet equivalent. That is outrageous. With how much the economy is constantly fluctuating, that could be months of work. Obviously I recognize this is an extreme case, not everyone is that much in debt, I just used this as an example to put things into perspective.

And at the end of the day, that should not be the responsibility of a victim. It's not these users fault they traded with someone who exploited the system. If CS Staff doesn't want to put everyone's C$ balances back to what they were before, okay. You're right in that the users do have their pets back, they could reasonably trade them again.

But their balances should be set to zero. They should not be expected to just sit in debt and suffer, when they did nothing wrong.

[bubbaberriboo]

Full support.

I've seen people saying that "if people get their C$ debt pardoned, then it's unfair to people who lost pets" and yes. It is. This whole situation is incredibly unfair.

But you cannot and should not be comparing the value of CS pets to C$. C$ is a real premium currency, paid for with real cash. CS Pets are, at the end of the day, free art. There's someone out there who was 4000 C$ in debt, which amounts to roughly $260. There's a user who was put $260 real dollars into debt. That person would either have to spend $260 dollars to get their balance back to zero, or spend the time and effort finding people willing to trade for the pet equivalent. That is outrageous. With how much the economy is constantly fluctuating, that could be months of work. Obviously I recognize this is an extreme case, not everyone is that much in debt, I just used this as an example to put things into perspective.

And at the end of the day, that should not be the responsibility of a victim. It's not these users fault they traded with someone who exploited the system. If CS Staff doesn't want to put everyone's C$ balances back to what they were before, okay. You're right in that the users do have their pets back, they could reasonably trade them again.

But their balances should be set to zero. They should not be expected to just sit in debt and suffer, when they did nothing wrong.

THIS. i’ve been trying to explain to people that C$ is tied to REAL CURRENCY and NONE of the monthly / event pets require you to pay C$. it is an OPTION to offer C$ for those pets. the only things you need to pay C$ for are store pets and store items. if you purchase pets from someone? that C$ stays in circulation. paying for store pets or items takes it out. the only situation i see this being “unfair” in is the people getting free store pets/items, but even then; i don’t really care. at this point i am just done with this site due to how poorly this is being handled. all these security measures they’re adding now are just too late. they should’ve been in place years ago, plus they’ve still not addressed the issue as a whole.

people are taking the value of these PNGs way too seriously. no one should be $260 in debt on a virtual pet game. that is insane.

[Cloverstream]

Full support.

I've seen people saying that "if people get their C$ debt pardoned, then it's unfair to people who lost pets" and yes. It is. This whole situation is incredibly unfair.

But you cannot and should not be comparing the value of CS pets to C$. C$ is a real premium currency, paid for with real cash. CS Pets are, at the end of the day, free art. There's someone out there who was 4000 C$ in debt, which amounts to roughly $260. There's a user who was put $260 real dollars into debt. That person would either have to spend $260 dollars to get their balance back to zero, or spend the time and effort finding people willing to trade for the pet equivalent. That is outrageous. With how much the economy is constantly fluctuating, that could be months of work. Obviously I recognize this is an extreme case, not everyone is that much in debt, I just used this as an example to put things into perspective.

And at the end of the day, that should not be the responsibility of a victim. It's not these users fault they traded with someone who exploited the system. If CS Staff doesn't want to put everyone's C$ balances back to what they were before, okay. You're right in that the users do have their pets back, they could reasonably trade them again.

But their balances should be set to zero. They should not be expected to just sit in debt and suffer, when they did nothing wrong.

THIS. i’ve been trying to explain to people that C$ is tied to REAL CURRENCY and NONE of the monthly / event pets require you to pay C$. it is an OPTION to offer C$ for those pets. the only things you need to pay C$ for are store pets and store items. if you purchase pets from someone? that C$ stays in circulation. paying for store pets or items takes it out. the only situation i see this being “unfair” in is the people getting free store pets/items, but even then; i don’t really care. at this point i am just done with this site due to how poorly this is being handled. all these security measures they’re adding now are just too late. they should’ve been in place years ago, plus they’ve still not addressed the issue as a whole.

people are taking the value of these PNGs way too seriously. no one should be $260 in debt on a virtual pet game. that is insane.

Seconding this.