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Re: [urgent] this site really is actually dying

Postby Baphy Bat » Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:37 am

Minimanta wrote:You know what I don't think have been talked about?
The totalitarian censorship that has been going on for years.

That has certainly made me a lot less active on the forums because I don't know what I'm allowed to say anymore... I've had warnings from staff because of in my eyes inoffensive stuff. And it's terrifying. I don't want to lose my account just because of something I wrote that I don't even think is bad. So I choose to don't write anything at all :/

And it's not just curse words. It's also just anything slightly negative is a flat out no go on this site.
Nowadays I basically only write to praise the new pets and items and to trade for missing outcomes. Because I'm afraid to do anything else. (Even this post I'm not sure if it's okay to post)

And the argument that ~it's a kid friendly site~ is nonesense if you ask me. I don't disagree this site is for kids, I disagree that censorship and toxic positivity is good for kids... But that's another discussion for another place.


You're 100% right on this, I understand that swearing and curse words can be deemed as offensive as some have different meanings to different people, but you really can't say a mean word about anything.
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Re: [urgent] this site really is actually dying

Postby Peoni » Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:50 am

pthumerian wrote:i honestly think december 18 is enough to keep things in circulation and keep the rarities.... the old store pets are a different problem though. they really are increasingly a problem and there needs to be something done about it.

Agreed. I've seen someone with a huge hoard of them, with tons of very old and very valuable stores in there.
IMO the best way to counteract this would to be to have a blind box also available on December 18th for just one day like the other release, that maybe costs 380(or more) c$? It would be a great c$ sink and a good way to give people the chance to get their hands on old stores.

Edit: To be clear, I am not against hoarding! I am also an avid hoarder, my above comment was in no way meant to be rude or single anyone out. Just an observation.
minimanta wrote:You know what I don't think have been talked about?
The totalitarian censorship that has been going on for years.

This is why I never interact on the forums in the first place and the main reason I didn't come back for 6 years honestly. It's hard to build a friendship with anyone when you're scared of losing your account over silly words.
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Re: [urgent] this site really is actually dying

Postby Startedraining » Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:53 am

On Eldemore there was a grab-bag you had to buy in the Bazaar that would randomly give you two ultra rare or legendary pets, either from the store (which was the case back then) or a few from the early days including the Beta glasswork. It worked really well and a lot of people enjoyed that. People have so much C$ and really nothing to do with it and its hard to actually get anything valuable except for offsite trading.

I feel like there should be a little bit more control over what people put in their trade rules, I often feel like I can't get anything done because I'm sending fair trades but I forgot something as small as a little codeword and then I get foed or something. Its exhausting getting anywhere here.
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Re: [urgent] this site really is actually dying

Postby rileypillow » Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:16 am

I do not agree about censorship controlling users. For a children's site the censorship is actually very relaxed. I have been on many sites where anything slightly negative (even against yourself) or any links that MAY contain anything “bad” or rule breaking can get you a warning, a ban, or even a permanent ban. I’ve been on sites where there is a filter and you can only say whitelisted words or you risk getting banned even if you didn't break a rule, and the mods aren't active enough to look at appeals. I’ve been on sites where my friends have been banned because the mods didn't like them, or the mods thought they might break a rule even if they hadn’t.

I have also been on sites with awful moderation and constant rule breaking. It gets out of hand quickly. People have been exposed to content they shouldn't have seen, and the mods are never active and often break the rules themselves. A site I once joined (I forget which one, it was years ago) was shut down due to this.

It would be nice to have a more in depth and updated rules page. I would like to use AI art to inspire some patterned clothing for my characters, but the rules are contradictory so I don’t know what would be allowed. I feel that some rules are too vague and could do with a little more text adding.

The mods on this site are great, especially compared to almost every other site I've been on, but responses can be delayed, it took around 2 weeks for some offensive content to be removed and I appreciate the mods have their own lives, but it would be nice to see faster responses. Perhaps if more mods were hired? Also some of the mods can come across a bit harsh and have made mistakes (not with me personally but other users have told me), so maybe a slightly gentler approach?
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Re: [urgent] this site really is actually dying

Postby Freyàh » Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:02 am

Man, this post seems to have turned be very long, so I will split it into sections;;
(Disclaimer: I am not trying to offend or cause issues in no way, this is just my personal opinions on why the game does not seem very active and some suggestions on how to improve it!)

• Warnings for posts in the forums.

Minimanta wrote:You know what I don't think have been talked about?
The totalitarian censorship that has been going on for years.

That has certainly made me a lot less active on the forums because I don't know what I'm allowed to say anymore... I've had warnings from staff because of in my eyes inoffensive stuff. And it's terrifying. I don't want to lose my account just because of something I wrote that I don't even think is bad. So I choose to don't write anything at all :/

And it's not just curse words. It's also just anything slightly negative is a flat out no go on this site.
Nowadays I basically only write to praise the new pets and items and to trade for missing outcomes. Because I'm afraid to do anything else. (Even this post I'm not sure if it's okay to post)

And the argument that ~it's a kid friendly site~ is nonesense if you ask me. I don't disagree this site is for kids, I disagree that censorship and toxic positivity is good for kids... But that's another discussion for another place.


Completely agree with this! I used to be somewhat active on the forums before; but my vibe to even post died after one Dec 18th. The post I made on one of the discussion forums wasn't even mean or anything, I congratulated people who got rare pets from their box and just shared that I felt disappointed how for the X'd year in a row I didn't get anything good again; and I believe it was in no way offensive (inbefore this post also gets flagged for mentioning this again).

Like, I can't even share this and discuss it? I understand that they don't want the forums to be overflown with "wah wah I got nothing good, so unfair :( " as it leads to negativity and begging, maybe? But still, I want to share it with people that understand - other players from CS.

I do think it's unhealthy for the kids too. Kids should have a safe space they can post in, even things that are like "well, this is not my favourite thing", and not worry that their post will get deleted because it might make other kids uncomfortable/unhappy. I strongly agree with enforcing rules, and making them more clear. Posts that straight up attack designs, events, or other people should be removed and warned; but sharing your opinions should be fine, even if it's not positive.

• Hoards and Wishlist

Wookieinmashoo wrote:
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    Chicken smoothie needs a hail mary. Whether it be a gacha system for the pound that funds the work behind the scenes(such as 5 USD for 5 pound "rolls" that give you 5 random pound pets or something in that vein) or even more thrilling events that bring something new to the table. The events are beautiful, don't get me wrong, but they're getting stale. Chicken smoothie needs stability, interest, and trend to bring back the booming community.



I'm sorry but this sounds very similar to a loot box. Gacha systems using real money is considered gambling in certain countries and is still up for debate in others. This is why Flight rising does not use gems in their raffles.

Something I would really like to see is multiple wishlists we can title. Right now, the one thing that's kind of putting me off from the site is a way to differentiate things on my wishlist. I have pets that I'm missing, hoard pets, pets I want true dates of, and store pets since I'm looking for extras. Maybe the same for items as well? I have a habit of wanting to feel organized and when things can't be organized, it ends up stressing me a bit. I shouldn't be stressed by a pet site, but my mess of a wishlist bothers me.


First, I would like to say that I LOVE LOVE the idea of multiple wishlists. I am tired of sending trades that are usually fair (common for common, for example) and the person on the other side cancelling by saying "no, this common you added is just a hoard pet, I ain't trading more than a omg so common for it cuz it is just hoard pets, after all!" :eyeroll: Don't get me wrong, everyone is free to trade whatever they want for whatever they want, value is in the eye of the beholder, but having a Hoard Wishlist will make more sense and help for overall better trades. Let's take any random pet, for example - it's person A's dreamie, while person B has a hoard of them. Person A will clearly be more incentivized to overpay for it, while person B won't pay more than 100 C$ for it.

I have hoard pets too, but I still try to trade fairly for them. Most of my recent cancelled trades are because of that; and having a hoard wishlist would make this much better.

• Wishlist update
While we are at this topic, wouldn't it be cool for the wishlist to also show how much you have from a specific pet? Just a simple add-on, where it says "ImageYou own this pet"; make it so it is like "Image You own [number] of this pet".

That will make hoards and collections easier to organize if you know how much you have from this pet exactly; and who knows, you might even find that you have an accidental extra/event rare pet! Of course, that is just a small quality of life update that I believe can make people play more!

• An idea to add chances for people to get more omg so rares

I got an idea when you mentioned "Gacha". Let's not make it 18th December only with C$, like some other people suggested - how about with a cooldown of 30 days? That way, even new people will have chances of rolling something good from it, and it won't be abused by people dumping all their rares in it at once.

Let's say you can dish in pets (like giving them in the pound, which deletes the pet) and C$ for "points". You can use 20 points for 1 random generated rare, very rare, or omg so rare pet. You can only submit pets that are "rare" and each is 1 point, very rares being 10, etc. (that is just an example). If it's only rares and above, users won't be incentivized to create multiple accounts to simply trade in hundreds of commons they just got by adopting the monthlies.

Making this "Gacha" once per month with a personal cooldown of 30 days means that people will come over and over again, for more than just the "adopt all on the 1st, forget the site till next month", like I personally do. I also believe that unifying all rare pets for the submission in that system under a similar points will be good for the overall value of specific pets with low demand, or at least "give" some demand to them just for being rare.

Of course, that doesn't mean people won't come once a month to adopt, and then a second time to "roll in the gacha" box with points when their cooldown is over; but at least it will make people play more to collect rares+ and C$ during the rest of the time, so that they know they have enough points for when the box resets.

What can be an issue with this is people accidentally submitting pets for points, and wanting to undo it. For this, I say make something like an "on-hold pound" - you add the pets in it, and they stay there for 2-3 days, and it asks you for confirmation if you are sure you want to submit them. That way, people will have time to pull out the pet if they change their mind.

Pros with this is: Giving demand to some low-demand rares, putting more "valuable" pets into circulation, giving newer players chances of getting good things without having to spend months up-trading (I've not seen up-trading work at all the past few years, but that's another theme), C$ sink for people that want to get the points asap (but not gambling because you can also submit pets you got for free for points, and pure C$ for people that are willing to buy it instead of waiting to trade for the rares to submit).

Cons are many, including the reduction of rares, getting a "bad" rare as a reward from trading in the points, exploiting events by making more accounts as event pets always end up rare (which is forbidden but people might be tempted), making the gap between uncommons and rares bigger. For the last part, maybe there can be a separate box with a 10 day cooldown that lets you submit any 20 uncommons for 1 random rare; 20 commons for 1 uncommon, 20 omg so commons for 1 common, etc.

There are many ways this can be changed and improved, and I'm open to any ideas or suggestions people might have about it, or even if you don't like this at all, it's fine! It's just an idea I had from reading the other suggestions here, which can help with the up-trading of pets.

Edit: Maybe "omg so rare/very rare" pets you get from these "gacha" boxes can even be un-tradeable; I dunno.

• Trading value after you took a break
For this, I have no idea how it can be improved, but I sometimes send "unfair" trades unintentionally after having a small break from the game, because I am not aware that a rare is "rarer" than another rare from the same year, for example. A lot of people don't like editing or sending suggestions, so I wish there was a way to verify if a trade is generally fair or not; and to catch you up on the "updated" rarities without having to post in the "Is this a fair trade" thread. I don't want to offend people (or seem like I am scamming them) by sending them bad trades just because I didn't check the forums for a month or two; or to make them feel bad like I don't trust their trade by asking them to wait until I get a response from the forum. Of course, I can always spend time researching that specific pet's general value, but I wish there was an easier, more straightforward way.

• Final words
It makes me happy that CS is still active, unlike many other sites that started after CS and closed long ago, which I miss every now and then. I really hope CS doesn't die, there is something to it - something that makes me come back to it even after 14 years of playing it, even after I stopped visiting every other site/game.
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Re: [urgent] this site really is actually dying

Postby Lacuna » Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:16 am

    This is a general reminder that this thread is not for ranting, especially in targeting specific people or groups of people (including moderators) as this is directly against our site rules. If you ever receive a warning you do not agree with you are welcome to contact upper staff via the help system; I have helped out in many cases like this and sometimes it does turn out that the wrong action was taken and it is resolved. However, sometimes it turns out people just need the rules more clearly explained because they did break them and did not understand the harm or seriousness of their behavior. I am always happy to do those things too, as CS is a site full of people from different cultures and countries and first languages where another perspective or explanation is helpful. We also welcome questions about our rules via help request (or even help forum thread) at any time and have changed wording or added rules as a result of people’s questions. Our site rules do not ban all complaining or negativity, or this thread would not have been allowed to remain active for this long. We appreciate suggestions and discussion given in good faith, thought I will remind you that any kind of gambling (loot boxes or grab bags for real money currency) is not going to happen for legal reasons. There are things that have been said here that we really like and would like to be able to do, and even a few we are trying to work on because they are within regular staff’s abilities. I am going to move this whole thread to the suggestions board to be a good reminder of what it really should be about, and welcome anyone with a fully formed idea of a suggestion to post a separate thread for more clear and easy discussion. Please refer to this thread: Forum/viewtopic.php?f=119&t=4111535 for current active suggestions.
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Re: [urgent] this site really is actually dying

Postby Reiemye » Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:22 pm

As a disclaimer, I am not super interested in trading and so I don't have any stakes in this. I enjoy CS just for the monthly and event pets. It's just something I've noticed have been glossed over when talking about the trading economy.

Because you know what can really wreck an economy, both in a game and in the real world? Hoarding. If a few people own 80% (random high percentage) of a pet, it creates an enormous imbalance in the trading economy (that's what happens IRL too, hoarding of wealth basically).

Again, I have no stake in this, I don't really care about trading so it's just something I've thought about: having a certain limit on hoards would help the economy. So some people don't hoard massive amounts of a certain pet, denying others of having a pet they want, especially if the pet is rare and/or high-demand. Like, idk, an upper limit of 100 or something? It'd also lower some frustration I'm quite certain some players must have when seeing hundreds of a pet they want locked on an account.

Tbh, re-releases wouldn't really help that much if they're hoarded on a few accounts.
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Re: [urgent] this site really is actually dying

Postby Lanayru » Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:27 pm

Reiemye wrote:As a disclaimer, I am not super interested in trading and so I don't have any stakes in this. I enjoy CS just for the monthly and event pets. It's just something I've noticed have been glossed over when talking about the trading economy.

Because you know what can really wreck an economy, both in a game and in the real world? Hoarding. If a few people own 80% (random high percentage) of a pet, it creates an enormous imbalance in the trading economy (that's what happens IRL too, hoarding of wealth basically).

Again, I have no stake in this, I don't really care about trading so it's just something I've thought about: having a certain limit on hoards would help the economy. So some people don't hoard massive amounts of a certain pet, denying others of having a pet they want, especially if the pet is rare and/or high-demand. Like, idk, an upper limit of 100 or something? It'd also lower some frustration I'm quite certain some players must have when seeing hundreds of a pet they want locked on an account.

Tbh, re-releases wouldn't really help that much if they're hoarded on a few accounts.

Considering very few players actually have the means to hoard a higher-value list pet I feel like people overestimate the impact hoards have on the economy. Not to mention MANY would be extremely disgruntled if their preferred playstyle got limited - and what about pre-existing hoards over 100 pets? Would they be forced to disband?

Most hoarders trade fair for their hoard pets just like everyone else and I'd be willing to argue most hoards are pets that are generally quite common and would rot in people's trade groups otherwise.
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Re: [urgent] this site really is actually dying

Postby Reiemye » Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:43 pm

Lanayru wrote:Considering very few players actually have the means to hoard a higher-value list pet I feel like people overestimate the impact hoards have on the economy. Not to mention MANY would be extremely disgruntled if their preferred playstyle got limited - and what about pre-existing hoards over 100 pets? Would they be forced to disband?

Most hoarders trade fair for their hoard pets just like everyone else and I'd be willing to argue most hoards are pets that are generally quite common and would rot in people's trade groups otherwise.


Tbh we don't have the data to know how much hoarding there is on this website, and which pets it affects most. Maybe I'm overestimating it, maybe I'm not. I just know that hoarding in an economy based on limited resources always ends up in imbalances and inequalities, and that I've seen quite a few people complain about hoards of high-demand pets (not necessarily rare or old btw).

As I've said I have no interest in trading so the maybe broken economy doesn't personally concern me and doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game, it's mostly something I've thought about that no one mentioned when discussing the economy. Sure, maybe it doesn't affect the economy that much, but even if I overestimate the impact I do still think it's something that impacts the economy in some ways and that should be thought about when talking about fixing it.
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Re: [urgent] this site really is actually dying

Postby cats135 » Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:56 pm

Reiemye wrote:
Lanayru wrote:Considering very few players actually have the means to hoard a higher-value list pet I feel like people overestimate the impact hoards have on the economy. Not to mention MANY would be extremely disgruntled if their preferred playstyle got limited - and what about pre-existing hoards over 100 pets? Would they be forced to disband?

Most hoarders trade fair for their hoard pets just like everyone else and I'd be willing to argue most hoards are pets that are generally quite common and would rot in people's trade groups otherwise.


Tbh we don't have the data to know how much hoarding there is on this website, and which pets it affects most. Maybe I'm overestimating it, maybe I'm not. I just know that hoarding in an economy based on limited resources always ends up in imbalances and inequalities, and that I've seen quite a few people complain about hoards of high-demand pets (not necessarily rare or old btw).

As I've said I have no interest in trading so the maybe broken economy doesn't personally concern me and doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game, it's mostly something I've thought about that no one mentioned when discussing the economy. Sure, maybe it doesn't affect the economy that much, but even if I overestimate the impact I do still think it's something that impacts the economy in some ways and that should be thought about when talking about fixing it.


Chipping in here as someone who uses this site 100% for the pets, I fully agree. Even if it isn't as high a number as 80% of a single pet is in one person'a hands, pets on this site are *not* unlimited resources.

Going back to my Pokemon Go comparison, there was no *set* number of (most) Pokemon you could get, rare or not, as events go for days at a time. And each person's account is isolated. If someone hoarded all the Lugias...well it won't affect me at all. But *here*...pets are not unlimited. Even if its a small hoard, there is imbalance to the want/demand, however big or small.

I am not fully against hoarding, but I agree that some site limit should be considered, especially with pets 2014- past. Even if it doesn't seem a big impact, or impact you...there is still an impact nonetheless.
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