[urgent] this site really is actually dying

[sorellabac]

CS staff has stated numerous times that they will never delete or close old accounts because they hadn't been logged into for sometime. They've mentioned, and I've seen, tons of people all the time logging back into those "abandoned" accounts. I'd hate it if something happened to me, and I came back a couple years later to find my account wiped because it "makes trading easier" or whatever. Those pets aren't yours, or anybody else's. And it's truly selfish to want those pets bad enough to delete accounts for your own gain.

I think this thread needs to be locked, it's just full of the same ideas that's been shot down for years, or trade ranting. There's hardly any meaningful conversation.

even if the ideas here are bad or won't work, as long as the thread doesn't become spam or hateful then it doesn't deserve to be locked because its existence shows discontent which is important for staff to be aware of - even if the suggestions inside the thread are impossible. if it does come to the point where people are just openly hating on cs / the team for the sake of it, then i'd see why it would need to get locked, but so far most of the conversation (even if it is "meaningless") is polite enough.

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maybe before deciding on if stores should be re-released cs should have a site poll to see what the main intention is for buying C$. if a small percentage is still buying C$ to buy store pets, that I dont see to much harm in re-releasing store pets. Now I do not believe they should be free, I would want them to be a limited store purchase. like limit users on how many they may purchase, and maybe only have it available for a month or two. and only have re-releases occur once or twice a year(imo preferably once)

I tentatively agree with this, but adding on: There should be a limit of only 1 purchase per account (1 of every pet or you can just buy 1 like how the store is currently set up). I can see people hoarding C$ to bulk buy valuable store pets just to trash their value.

However, to sort of counter other people on this post: Saying you don't want store pets re-released is an elitist mindset and is part of the problem, in my opinion.
I've literally gone through something similar myself: On Final Fantasy XIV, there was a limited-time special release car mount from FFXV. It was only available for a short time, and Square Enix literally told us: "THIS MOUNT WILL NEVER BE RELEASED AGAIN." Jump forward about 2.5 years later, they re-released it. I'll admit, I was absolutely LIVID at first and ranting on Twitter, Discord, etc. all about how angry I was...but now I've come to terms with it and I'm happy that so many of the newer players had the chance to get it, and I can see them flying around with it.

I think the point of conversation should be:
Do we keep old store pets to never be re-released and, because of this, ruin the trading economy (because the demand for these pets will never change, in my opinion. I want them, too.) OR
Very limitedly re-release a tiny pool of old store pets at a time which will boost the trading economy and be a bonus C$ sink for the growing C$ inflation. (even like.. 10 every year or something just for raffle or something? Let's say every user throws in 500C$ and whoever doesn't win gets their C$ returned? I'm not sure if that would overturn any gambling laws. If that still falls under gambling, then never mind...)

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[Bridgy1234]

CS staff has stated numerous times that they will never delete or close old accounts because they hadn't been logged into for sometime. They've mentioned, and I've seen, tons of people all the time logging back into those "abandoned" accounts. I'd hate it if something happened to me, and I came back a couple years later to find my account wiped because it "makes trading easier" or whatever. Those pets aren't yours, or anybody else's. And it's truly selfish to want those pets bad enough to delete accounts for your own gain.

I think this thread needs to be locked, it's just full of the same ideas that's been shot down for years, or trade ranting. There's hardly any meaningful conversation.

I know everyone is responding here, but I must say this has been a surprisingly respectful thread so far, yes there are old ideas being brought forth again, but some people are extending on the ideas, and we do have some new ideas coming forth aswell. I’m pretty sure a thread like this does emerge every year, but it is useful for staff to see current opinions of the other users. Staff has in the past pulled suggestions from these topics and used them or built on them.

I agree with you, under no circumstance should an inactive account be deleted. I do believe I’ve seen before that pets on inactive accounts are not counted towards the calculation for their rarities. Which makes sense because if they did then the off site/no account pets that are adopted would affect rarities to.

Also in the beginning there is minor trade ranting but I see no harm, it just shows that we are all having similar issues when trying to trade for valuable or older pets. If an issue is not discussed or shared the issue can’t even begin to be fixed.

Lil edit: I often times wish there were a “bad trade” thread. I know it will never happen as, well who wants to spread negativity and as shared earlier there are completely fair trades sent, supported by multiple trading and value threads, that people rate poorly or cancel saying it’s unfair. But it may be useful for new players to see examples of poor trades like offering a 2020 common for a 2015 common, so long as trades as mentioned before are not shared. Which again I know this will never happen as we can’t filter out trades that are technically fair but the canceling partner over values their pet involved in the trade.

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maybe before deciding on if stores should be re-released cs should have a site poll to see what the main intention is for buying C$. if a small percentage is still buying C$ to buy store pets, that I dont see to much harm in re-releasing store pets. Now I do not believe they should be free, I would want them to be a limited store purchase. like limit users on how many they may purchase, and maybe only have it available for a month or two. and only have re-releases occur once or twice a year(imo preferably once)

I tentatively agree with this, but adding on: There should be a limit of only 1 purchase per account (1 of every pet or you can just buy 1 like how the store is currently set up). I can see people hoarding C$ to bulk buy valuable store pets just to trash their value.

However, to sort of counter other people on this post: Saying you don't want store pets re-released is an elitist mindset and is part of the problem, in my opinion.
I've literally gone through something similar myself: On Final Fantasy XIV, there was a limited-time special release car mount from FFXV. It was only available for a short time, and Square Enix literally told us: "THIS MOUNT WILL NEVER BE RELEASED AGAIN." Jump forward about two years later, they re-released it. I'll admit, I was absolutely LIVID at first and ranting on Twitter, Discord, etc. all about how angry I was...but now I've come to term with it and I'm happy that so many of the newer players had the chance to get it, and I can see them flying around with it.

I think the point of conversation should be:
Do we keep old store pets to never be re-released and, because of this, ruin the trading economy (because the demand for these pets will never change, in my opinion. I want them, too.) OR
Very limitedly re-release a tiny pool of old store pets at a time which will boost the trading economy and be a bonus C$ sink for the growing C$ inflation. (even like.. 10 every year or something just for raffle or something? Let's say every user throws in 500C$ and whoever doesn't win gets their C$ returned? I'm not sure if that would overturn any gambling laws. If that still falls under gambling, then never mind...)

I agree with the mindset part, it feels really selfish to me, no hate to anyone.

I honestly would love just anyone to be happy and have a small chance, the whole worry about the value dropping just seems a little greedy to me..

[SquishyZebra]

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maybe before deciding on if stores should be re-released cs should have a site poll to see what the main intention is for buying C$. if a small percentage is still buying C$ to buy store pets, that I dont see to much harm in re-releasing store pets. Now I do not believe they should be free, I would want them to be a limited store purchase. like limit users on how many they may purchase, and maybe only have it available for a month or two. and only have re-releases occur once or twice a year(imo preferably once)

I tentatively agree with this, but adding on: There should be a limit of only 1 purchase per account (1 of every pet or you can just buy 1 like how the store is currently set up). I can see people hoarding C$ to bulk buy valuable store pets just to trash their value.

However, to sort of counter other people on this post: Saying you don't want store pets re-released is an elitist mindset and is part of the problem, in my opinion.
I've literally gone through something similar myself: On Final Fantasy XIV, there was a limited-time special release car mount from FFXV. It was only available for a short time, and Square Enix literally told us: "THIS MOUNT WILL NEVER BE RELEASED AGAIN." Jump forward about two years later, they re-released it. I'll admit, I was absolutely LIVID at first and ranting on Twitter, Discord, etc. all about how angry I was...but now I've come to term with it and I'm happy that so many of the newer players had the chance to get it, and I can see them flying around with it.

Adding to this comment and reading the thread, it seems a few of the people disagreeing with the older store pets being re-released are the same people who already have the older store pets. One can assume they probably had to overpay massively and want others to do the same (and not just spend some money to get it). Which is totally understandable. However, as someone who has an older store pet, I would be THRILLED to see more of them make an appearance back in the store. I couldn't care less if my store pet lost its value because I love the pet for its design, not for its worth.

[Daxx]

As much as we can say we want stores to be re-released, the staff have set a very hard no on that one. They say it everytime users suggest it, tell us it's not gonna be a thing because it's always been that way. I personally think they need to make different kinds of store pets instead. Don't re-release things, because its been said it's not happening. However making more C$ sinks is definitely a good option. Using more store sinks would cause a lot of mini effects though the entire game, and would likely solve a lot of issues that people are having

[huskyhiccups]

I tentatively agree with this, but adding on: There should be a limit of only 1 purchase per account (1 of every pet or you can just buy 1 like how the store is currently set up). I can see people hoarding C$ to bulk buy valuable store pets just to trash their value.

However, to sort of counter other people on this post: Saying you don't want store pets re-released is an elitist mindset and is part of the problem, in my opinion.
I've literally gone through something similar myself: On Final Fantasy XIV, there was a limited-time special release car mount from FFXV. It was only available for a short time, and Square Enix literally told us: "THIS MOUNT WILL NEVER BE RELEASED AGAIN." Jump forward 2.5 years later, they re-released it. I'll admit, I was absolutely LIVID at first and ranting on Twitter, Discord, etc. all about how angry I was...but now I've come to term with it and I'm happy that so many of the newer players had the chance to get it, and I can see them flying around with it.

Adding to this comment and reading the thread, it seems a few of the people disagreeing with the older store pets being released already have the older store pets. One can assume they probably had to overpay massively and want others to do the same (and not just spend some money to get it). Which is totally understandable. However, as someone who has an older store pet, I would be THRILLED to see more of them make an appearance back in the store. I couldn't care less if my store pet lost its value because I love the pet for its design, not for its worth.

If that's the case... That literally reminds me of the drama/hate-storm on Twitter that happened when the USA student loans got (somewhat) forgiven:
There were some verified users I saw crying and hating on people for using the loan forgiveness program...all because they (verified users) paid their loans off (with help likely from their rich parents) and expected people to go through the same HELL. A bad mentality to have, in my opinion.
TLDR: "I had to go through this bad thing so you should have to as well." Is not cute.

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I tentatively agree with this, but adding on: There should be a limit of only 1 purchase per account (1 of every pet or you can just buy 1 like how the store is currently set up). I can see people hoarding C$ to bulk buy valuable store pets just to trash their value.

However, to sort of counter other people on this post: Saying you don't want store pets re-released is an elitist mindset and is part of the problem, in my opinion.
I've literally gone through something similar myself: On Final Fantasy XIV, there was a limited-time special release car mount from FFXV. It was only available for a short time, and Square Enix literally told us: "THIS MOUNT WILL NEVER BE RELEASED AGAIN." Jump forward about two years later, they re-released it. I'll admit, I was absolutely LIVID at first and ranting on Twitter, Discord, etc. all about how angry I was...but now I've come to term with it and I'm happy that so many of the newer players had the chance to get it, and I can see them flying around with it.

Adding to this comment and reading the thread, it seems a few of the people disagreeing with the older store pets being released already have the older store pets. One can assume they probably had to overpay massively and want others to do the same (and not just spend some money to get it). Which is totally understandable. However, as someone who has an older store pet, I would be THRILLED to see more of them make an appearance back in the store. I couldn't care less if my store pet lost its value because I love the pet for its design, not for its worth.

If that's the case... That literally reminds me of the drama/hate-storm on Twitter that happened when the USA student loans got (somewhat) forgiven:
There were some verified users I saw crying and hating on people for using the loan forgiveness program...all because they (verified users) paid their loans off (with help likely from their rich parents) and expected people to go through the same HELL. A bad mentality to have, in my opinion.
TLDR: "I had to live through this bad thing so you should have to as well." Ain't cute.

Very much still agree on this one, I think even if it is still a no, people still have the right to discuss about it c:

[Bridgy1234]

I tentatively agree with this, but adding on: There should be a limit of only 1 purchase per account (1 of every pet or you can just buy 1 like how the store is currently set up). I can see people hoarding C$ to bulk buy valuable store pets just to trash their value.

However, to sort of counter other people on this post: Saying you don't want store pets re-released is an elitist mindset and is part of the problem, in my opinion.
I've literally gone through something similar myself: On Final Fantasy XIV, there was a limited-time special release car mount from FFXV. It was only available for a short time, and Square Enix literally told us: "THIS MOUNT WILL NEVER BE RELEASED AGAIN." Jump forward about two years later, they re-released it. I'll admit, I was absolutely LIVID at first and ranting on Twitter, Discord, etc. all about how angry I was...but now I've come to term with it and I'm happy that so many of the newer players had the chance to get it, and I can see them flying around with it.

I think the point of conversation should be:
Do we keep old store pets to never be re-released and, because of this, ruin the trading economy (because the demand for these pets will never change, in my opinion. I want them, too.) OR
Very limitedly re-release a tiny pool of old store pets at a time which will boost the trading economy and be a bonus C$ sink for the growing C$ inflation. (even like.. 10 every year or something just for raffle or something? Let's say every user throws in 500C$ and whoever doesn't win gets their C$ returned? I'm not sure if that would overturn any gambling laws. If that still falls under gambling, then never mind...)

I agree with the mindset part, it feels really selfish to me, no hate to anyone.

I honestly would love just anyone to be happy and have a small chance, the whole worry about the value dropping just seems a little greedy to me..

Yes, yes, yes, exactly

I really don’t have to much to say because, well y’all hit the nail on the head.
My only comment is that the lottery, even if the c$ is returned to those who don’t win, still may not pass. I think the reason flight rising and lioden can have their lotteries is because the currency used is only gained in game and doesn’t have the option to be purchase with irl money. (Yes I did suggest a lottery along side the free raffles earlier, but I just came up with that conclusion on free in game currency vs irl money purchased in game currency)

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I totally see your points, cs is one game ive managed to stick to (other than a break shortly after joining) for the reason that if you cant log on your not really punished or put in a bind (other than the events, but even then its not horrible)
I dont think cs needs a daily reward system, or tasks to get rewards. it needs to keep its relaxed gameplay.

I also agree on the free rares and vrs for new players, it brings up a new temptation for cheaters to cheat and scammers to scam new players.

I dont believe people here are saying the site is boring as it is, at least that was not the reason this thread was made. I do think that in attempts to come up with ideas to help with the value of pets caused by demand and personal values, people are pulling from other games that to not appear to have major issues with game economy. BUT a lot of those games are based around a currency economy system where cs is based on a system that relies on user interaction. the economy side of cs was introduced to help keep the site funded and running. at this point im not to sure on how much income cs is still getting from users purchasing C$. but there is certainly plenty in circulation on the site.

CS absolutely needs to maintain a user interaction system, but something does need to change or be added to help change the mindset of many players that are aiding in the influx of pet values. I do believe adding more opportunities to get rarer pets will help. making them more available will make people less desperate to over pay for desired pets, eventually causing users holding these pets at high values to lower their expectations on what they can get for those pets. I do not believe it will mess up the rarities to much, and even if it does I dont think it will hurt their values like some think it would. As there are many high demand pets that are in high demand not solely because of their rarity status or age but also because of their designs. like the zodiac dogs. they were a monthly adopt but because of their design they are valued three times their monthly counter parts. and on the other end, the random chance omgsr zebras. they are a pet you can only get if blessed by the rng gods when we have our dec 18th boxes or a zebra litter. even though thats the only way to obtain them and they are an omgsr rarity, demand is poor because, well they are basic. they are your run of the mill zebras. heck there are plenty of event pets that were rare originally that were super popular because of their designs that have since dropped to uncommons and are still being valued at a rare or two.

jumping over to the store pet side of things, im not to sure if a store pet's rarity placement is going to affect its value to much, we did have some store pets step down from vr to rare, but the asking prices and offering prices haven't changed from what ive seen.

On the note of re-releasing store pets. it really depends. We really don't know how many users are still buying C$, and at that how many are buying them just to get store pets? I know I have not spent a single real world dollar on this game, but for the past few years have been able to make enough c$ to stay up to date on the new store releases AND buy some past stores from other players. I know a few years ago and back when i first joined and started looking at the art forums, seeing users discuss buying art or adopts with c$ but requesting for some time as they waited to get allowance or a paycheck so they could top off their account.

maybe before deciding on if stores should be re-released cs should have a site poll to see what the main intention is for buying C$. if a small percentage is still buying C$ to buy store pets, that I dont see to much harm in re-releasing store pets. Now I do not believe they should be free, I would want them to be a limited store purchase. like limit users on how many they may purchase, and maybe only have it available for a month or two. and only have re-releases occur once or twice a year(imo preferably once)

Coming up with things like quests give off the impression CS is boring to me.

There is already plenty of ways to earn rare pets, like the pound, events, free adoptions, art if you're skilled, or offsite trading (a good chunk of my collection came from this way). I can't really think of any other way to make rares more available? And I personally don't think they need to be, because it will hurt their values. If too many of one rare is in circulation, it's gonna be bumped down, and of course everyone would be upset, myself included.

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@ everyone who responded to my meaningful conversation comment
A good chunk of this thread is just trade-ranting, which is against the rules, or bringing up old ideas. As Bridgy1234, something like this pops up time-to-time, and it's always just the same points made over and over. I'm more than positive the CS staff knows how discontent the CS userbase is (like the Sell CS thread), this thread truly just seems like another rant thread (to me, anyways)

@ re-releasing store pets,
It is not selfish or "elitist" to want a promise to be kept. The promise of stores never being released again has been there since the beginning of store pet releases. It was part of what made me buy my stores, and yes it stinks they'll eventually become unattainable (I know I'll probably never own a skelebun), but every game has something like this. I never could understand why it's somehow wrong for CS to have such a thing. (I thought I saw an FR item go for like over $9,000+ mentioned here, and no one has a problem with that.)
I'd like to suggest recolors of older stores, or 2nd gen store pet litters! The promise is still kept, you can still own something similar to a dream store, and it's a new way to spent C$ too. I'd love a sunset-like Liontail!

And any kind of "box" where you get a random store will be a disaster anyway you paint it. Eldemore had something like this, and iirc, it was a nightmare.