New Rule: DNI (Do Not Interact) Lists are Banned

[.:Scruffy:.]

Does shinigami eyes work on chickensmoothie? It's a browser extension that shows you whether someone has spouted transphobia before, it's very useful for this purpose but I'm unsure if it works on all sites.

It's mentioned on the homepage:

"Which sites are supported?
This extension supports Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Tumblr, Medium, YouTube, Wikipedia articles, search engine results and all the sites with Disqus comments. "

I doubt it'll ever support small forums like Chickensmoothie, so unfortunately the only way to find transphobes on CS is hear-say or seeing a post before mods get to it

Aw, darn. That's unfortunate.

[×Seven of Nine×]

Does shinigami eyes work on chickensmoothie? It's a browser extension that shows you whether someone has spouted transphobia before, it's very useful for this purpose but I'm unsure if it works on all sites.

That seems like something that would invade privacy too, not to mention the broad thing of what counts as transphobic and not, and I don't think something that invades privacy would be allowed on CS anyways

[.:Scruffy:.]

Maybe it's just me, but someone being labeled by multiple people (pretty sure you need more than one report) based on their public posts doesn't seem like a privacy violation considering that stuff is quite literally not private.

Also, there's no way for a mod to tell if somebody is using a browser extension, so that is unenforceable unless they specifically add something to the site code that disallows it.

[×Seven of Nine×]

Maybe it's just me, but someone being labeled by multiple people (pretty sure you need more than one report) based on their public posts doesn't seem like a privacy violation considering that stuff is quite literally not private.

Digging up 10 year old posts and holding it against someone that changed is, but that's not something we should discuss here.

[Lanayru]

Does shinigami eyes work on chickensmoothie? It's a browser extension that shows you whether someone has spouted transphobia before, it's very useful for this purpose but I'm unsure if it works on all sites.

That seems like something that would invade privacy too, not to mention the broad thing of what counts as transphobic and not, and I don't think something that invades privacy would be allowed on CS anyways

How would Shinigami Eyes invade someones privacy lol? It's an extension where users can mark individual user profiles on a site visually, it doesn't go deeper than that. Obviously it'll never work for CS in terms of functionality but calling it a "privacy invasion" is reaching pretty far.

[iHolli]

Maybe it's just me, but someone being labeled by multiple people (pretty sure you need more than one report) based on their public posts doesn't seem like a privacy violation considering that stuff is quite literally not private.

Digging up 10 year old posts and holding it against someone that changed is, but that's not something we should discuss here.

{yeah this isn't really the right topic, but as long as it's a program using multiple recent posts for its purpose, that's fine. Because I know for fact that people are regularly cancelled over years or decades old posts [or even stuff that's so vague it's really questionable whether it's genuinely problematic] they no longer agree with, and that's not acceptable to make someone a target over.}
{Something like that I don't see working on CS anyway. If it relies on public posts, it's going to have no work to do-- once reported mods edit or delete harmful comments like that. So as Natasha said, the only way for something like that to work on CS is if the bot combs through anything the user does on or more likely off-site. That is what I would call an invasion of privacy, especially if the user has no off-site links attached to their profile.}

.Holli.

[jasps]

CS is a tiny website and while that has its pros and cons, word gets out pretty quickly about people's beliefs especially when they post about them or have them laid out in their signature/have a noticeable absence of diversity in their character and world building. Even IF shinegami eyes was actually added onto CS (which just wouldn't happen) the way the extension works is to have an external content review after you mark something as anti trans/t friendly so it shows up to others using the extention. I'm actually not sure how they do this but I'd assume some part of the process is either aggregated (for instance you could feed a twitter profile through a bot that would measure the ratio of anti trans news sources or articles you've shared) or if it's done manually someone has to go through posts.

Could you actually imagine some poor shinigami eyes admin making an account on a furry website and going through 5000 sparkledog and horse adopt posts to figure out that they once said something about disagreement over lifestyle lol because I can't. Anyway yeah this is somewhat off topic.

[DannyPoke]

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Also, people interact with people everyday. You interact with people at school, work, grocery store, and extra curricular activities. You have no idea if those people are on your Do Not Interact list.

This has been something I've thought about for a while actually. For example, I work at a grocery store. I'm also REALLY into the Danganronpa series. How many people have come through my checkout line, interacted with me and trusted me with handling their money, all while on their twitter they say 'DR fans DNI'? On the other side of the coin, I really don't like Harry Potter. But I've managed to stay civil while serving people who are decked out head to toe in outfits basically screaming I LOVE HARRY POTTER!

The invention of DNI lists honestly feels like a horrible thing, because it genuinely makes me worry how people who are so deeply upset by certain fandoms are going to react when they go out in public and see people wearing shirts or stores selling toys of those fandoms.

[Apocalyptichorse]

I'm glad DNI's aren't allowed, they're harmful and just...preformative overall really. And just crummy, as someone who had a potential friendship thrown aside just like that because I enjoyed something they didn't. Which is bizarre to me, I'm friends with folks who enjoy things I don't and vice versa, we just don't bring that up to each other and bond over the things we do have in common.

[The Fifth Spirit]

I didn't know that DNI lists existed until yesterday, and today I've finally found the time to sit down and write down my thoughts.

First off, I'd like to extend a thank you to staff for this decision. There will never be a decision made that doesn't piss off or upset someone, so I'm not surprised at the variety of reactions in this thread. I do wish some posts were worded more kindly, and this extends to ones that support both sides of the conversation.

Secondly, after reading the entirety of this thread (or at least whatever posts survived staff purging), I have to say that I personally feel more comfortable on this site knowing that these things that I didn't even know existed will no longer be an allowable feature. As someone with a mental disorder (no, I will not share specifics because I don't owe that to anyone), I can understand why the internet might feel like an unsafe or unwelcoming place. However, I don't think that's a valid reason to publicly share a list of triggers, things you don't like, etc. in the interests of keeping those things/people away from you. Because as others have said before, what are the chances that it'll actually work? Someone with blatantly [insert-prefix-here]phobic views, regardless of whether they publish them online, will probably not care in the slightest about DNI lists. Or they could be someone like me, who didn't know they existed and would never think to check for one before sending a trade or posting in the forums.

As others have said, it's not other people's responsibility to be aware of someone's triggers. If I had to check a DNI list for every single person I traded with, I wouldn't bother using this site. That's a waste of time, could potentially lead to me exposing myself to discomfort or my own triggers, and makes no sense in the context of trading pixel pets. I can see how they have more of a pull in the forums, but in that case it's a player's responsibility to block someone who has info in their sig about a fandom they don't like or make sure they're not engaging in forum threads that could potentially expose them to triggers, etc.

Overall, DNI lists give me a sense of "I'm expecting someone else to be responsible for my emotional well-being" and that's not a safe thing to do. The internet is not the place to entrust strangers (or friends!) with that sort of thing.