Your Opinion On Wolves?

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Re: Your Opinion On Wolves?

Postby cup of cocoa » Wed May 25, 2011 3:49 am

Zarago; Love the poem. True points in it. Nearly made me cry when you got to the point of the artic wolf in Alaska.
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Re: Your Opinion On Wolves?

Postby coop » Wed May 25, 2011 3:55 am

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Re: Your Opinion On Wolves?

Postby bearcups » Wed May 25, 2011 4:21 am

I own two wolfdogs, so I guess I'm a wolf lover. [:
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    you took me into your arms
    you taught me to smile, be brave
    you were my teacher, my lover, my life
    but one day, you shot me down
    and i never got back up

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Re: Your Opinion On Wolves?

Postby FamineMyth » Wed May 25, 2011 4:41 am

Wolves are awsome and I agree with Zargos post on the 1st page,I have got to actually touch a wolf before at a non-Profit wolf sanctuary,They aren't vicious like people think they are and the whole Twilight-Werewolf stuff isn't making their reputation get any better.
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Re: Your Opinion On Wolves?

Postby ika; » Wed May 25, 2011 5:00 am

Wolves are okay- I have a Wolfdog myself, but they aren't my favourite animals.

I believe however, that other animals are more important in the conservation, for example the Amur Leopard- there's only 35 wild leopards left. To be honest I haven't seen many people going crazy over how much they need protecting. But, like I said, wolves are beautiful animals that deserve to be respected.
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Re: Your Opinion On Wolves?

Postby cup of cocoa » Wed May 25, 2011 5:27 am

*Nods.*

Forever~Griffen; Awesome! I've always wanted to touch and pet a wolf.
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Re: Your Opinion On Wolves?

Postby Zarago » Wed May 25, 2011 5:28 am

FM-Radio wrote:
    Zarago; Okay, I don't know how you would know if I live in the UK or not.
    Or if I even live in America.
    And if that's the kind of attitude they have in your area alone, that doesn't make wolves the most misunderstood. The people in India and Taiwan don't care about wolves at all, they're worried 'bout mosquitoes.


I never thought anything of the sort. I have just found out that people from the United Kingdom have more predjudice than people from the United States, probably because we have no wolves here currently, so people do not have to care. I am not saying that nobody from the United Kingdom cares and likes wolves, otherwise I wouldn't.

Forever~Griffin wrote:Wolves are awsome and I agree with Zargos post on the 1st page,I have got to actually touch a wolf before at a non-Profit wolf sanctuary,They aren't vicious like people think they are and the whole Twilight-Werewolf stuff isn't making their reputation get any better.


You're right, the amount of films and stories out there that give bad press about wolves is immense.

For example, we have the new "Red Riding Hood" film, which is negative about wolves, and guess what? It's made by the same person who made the "Twilight Saga", what a surprise.

Like "Jaws", which gave bad press to sharks, these films are doing the wolves' reputation no good either.

Also, was the place you went to touch a wolf in the United Kingdom?


Ikaaaaaaaaa wrote:Wolves are okay- I have a Wolfdog myself, but they aren't my favourite animals.

I believe however, that other animals are more important in the conservation, for example the Amur Leopard- there's only 35 wild leopards left. To be honest I haven't seen many people going crazy over how much they need protecting. But, like I said, wolves are beautiful animals that deserve to be respected.


I'm afraid the Mexican Grey Wolves aren't better, they are extinct in the wild, and the Ethiopian wolf is said to be the world's rarest canine (meaning that they are still ones that are wild, but there are very few).
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Re: Your Opinion On Wolves?

Postby Harpalyce » Wed May 25, 2011 6:41 am

Much like other animals, they're often over-personified and glorified by humans. Not as bad as dolphins, thank goodness. But a powerful cultural symbol nonetheless. It's important to realize the difference between that symbol and reality, however. There are a lot of people in love with the symbol. They ignore the reality. They outright reject the reality. Wolves aren't perfection on earth. They aren't nobility made into flesh. They aren't the spirit of the wild. They're... wolves. Beautiful in their own right, of course, but not god-like. The "wolfaboos" are those in love with the symbol, so much so they forget the reality.

Often conservation isn't pretty or cute or noble. I'm glad when wolves can help bring in more money to help overall conservation efforts, but I wish there was a greater emphasis on all of the 'little forgotten species' out there. I especially cannot stand conservation of wolves at the cost of other animals, or people who say that the most funding should go to wolves. Compared to a lot of other species, the grey wolf is actually doing pretty awesome. There are a lot of other animals that could use the help much more.

Was going to comment on the poem but I quickly lost patience trying to highlight everything to read it. Contrast: it's a groovy thing, folks, if you like your words to be read.
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Re: Your Opinion On Wolves?

Postby Zarago » Wed May 25, 2011 7:18 am

Harpalyce wrote:Much like other animals, they're often over-personified and glorified by humans. Not as bad as dolphins, thank goodness. But a powerful cultural symbol nonetheless. It's important to realize the difference between that symbol and reality, however. There are a lot of people in love with the symbol. They ignore the reality. They outright reject the reality. Wolves aren't perfection on earth. They aren't nobility made into flesh. They aren't the spirit of the wild. They're... wolves. Beautiful in their own right, of course, but not god-like. The "wolfaboos" are those in love with the symbol, so much so they forget the reality.

Often conservation isn't pretty or cute or noble. I'm glad when wolves can help bring in more money to help overall conservation efforts, but I wish there was a greater emphasis on all of the 'little forgotten species' out there. I especially cannot stand conservation of wolves at the cost of other animals, or people who say that the most funding should go to wolves. Compared to a lot of other species, the grey wolf is actually doing pretty awesome. There are a lot of other animals that could use the help much more.

Was going to comment on the poem but I quickly lost patience trying to highlight everything to read it. Contrast: it's a groovy thing, folks, if you like your words to be read.


Well, sorry, but there is no need to be all hissy over something that you cannot read very well. I can read it perfectly well.

Anyway, yes, you are right. People forget about the animal, and just concentrate on what their "symbol" is. They are not gods, they are not perfect (nothing is), but to some people, they are the "spirit of the wild", everyone has the right to believe or not believe that. But when you hear a wolf howl, it really does make you feel like you're in the wild woods, even if you have never heard it before.

Gray Wolves are doing pretty well in North America, because they are such successful animals, and so effective at what they do. But, they aren't doing so brilliantly in other places, such as in Sweden, where they killed plenty of their wolves to reduce the population dramatically. I agree, humans are the superior species, but, that doesn't mean that we should cull an intelligent and equally successful animal just because it is getting in our way. You don't cull humans just to keep the population down, do you?

Also, wolf species such as the Mexican Gray are worse of than most predators. They are extinct in the wild, but thankfully a small team of people is increasing their numbers in captivity to be released into the wild. Ethiopian wolves are critically endangered, and are apparently the rarest canine on Earth. So, whilst Gray wolves may not need our complete attention in America right now, these very rare wolves do, so we should not ignore them.

I annoys me how people concentrate on (granted, arguably the most beautiful and well-known) Gray wolf, and forget about the other wolves that are also important to the ecosystem. Extinction is forever.
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Re: Your Opinion On Wolves?

Postby cup of cocoa » Wed May 25, 2011 7:21 am

Yes, also take the Red Wolf as well.

In a book I read once, it said there is very few in the wild, while there is more grey wolves. Red Wolves need to be protected as well.
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