oekaki thumbnails discussion {READ FIRST POST}

[Purgatory K9]

This thread was definitely wrongfully locked, I've gone ahead and unlocked it for you. A drawing with that much effort should never be locked and clearly isn't spam so I apologize on behalf of the team for that mistake. If you ever think a thread was wrongfully locked or a moderator has taken an action that is not correct please send in a help ticket appealing the issue.

The purpose of this rule first and foremost is to cut back on the Oekaki board being cluttered with walls of spam drawings that are just text or 1-second sketches. If a "cover " can also function as a stand-alone drawing that clearly took effort and time to draw, then that should always be fine.

I said I wouldn’t say anything else on this thread but I had to for this. Thank you, Simon!! We appreciate you.

[BoopoThyDrago]

as much as i support an overhaul of the off-oekaki boards to make them more popular, there is no way this suggestion will work. moderation will need to ramp up tenfold, both on the "is this cs appropriate" side and the art theft side.

the main issue with uneven enforcement of rules on the site here that people are (rightfully) angry about is because mods cannot keep up with the amount of content posted on this site daily. there is no way they would be able to add on an entirely new image-hosting portion of the website when they're already struggling with oekaki.

edit: to address ford's last statement about uploading images with bbcode - it would be harder to moderate because traffic would increase.

just wanted to bring this back up since it kind of got overlooked

i 100% support making a new oekaki section, or reworking the non-oekaki art forums, but the cs team is very small and introducing something new like that would be extremely overwhelming for the staff. we have to keep in mind that they're not superhumans and they have their own personal lives, so moderating the oekaki AND this theoretical other board would be kind of a big deal.

This also goes along with what J-and-K341 said

I just finished reading over this as well and i can see valid points from both ends, actually. I can see where getting that big red lock on your art post can put a sinking feeling in your gut or even cause anger, but there are many that are aware of this rule but choose to bypass it anyways, whether it was enforced or not. Doesnt matter if it was a sketch or a fully rendered piece, if its still just meant to be a cover photo it still kinda breaks that rule, ya know? Also from my take on it, there were what, only like, 2-3 art mods on site until just recently when they brought a bunch more onto the team? So from what im seeing there's more staff available to pick up the slack where there used to be so much user base vs staff that things would get buried before they could see it, but i do agree that the lack of warning has created somewhat of a knee-jerk reaction among the community just based on what im seeing here.


Remember that they have said you can retrieve these original art pieces back without the big lock on them by sending in a ticket requesting it. I promise you the staff arent out to get ya and arent constantly looking for who they can ban next or anything, as long as youre being reasonable about things. <3

For those talking about how the off Oekaki art forums are a bit of a mess, my suggestion is to actually start using them more, as counterintuitive as that sounds. Site coders tend to put more effort in improving things on their site that they see their user base making the most use of, with the lesser used things kind of being left as is. If more of the community uses those forums it sends a message that "hey, maybe we should start working to make this better for these guys!" Worried that it won't be noticed? Advertise your art thread. Put a link to it in your signature, put a link to it on your trading thread, in your trading rules. Heck even in your regular Oekaki posts as a side note thing to go along with the main art piece you created on the Oekaki itself so it wont get locked. ^^

A bigger project would mean people would use it if fixed. I know more people would use it, but most people would still use Oekaki. It would be a waste of time if it was updated and most people don't use it. I think that before fixing the non-Oekaki boards, the Oekaki program should b fixed so that more people could use it, as they are already in more use and better organized anyways.

Edit: Thank you Simon!!! The clarification helps!

[ford]

A bigger project would mean people would use it if fixed. I know more people would use it, but most people would still use Oekaki. It would be a waste of time if it was updated and most people don't use it. I think that before fixing the non-Oekaki boards, the Oekaki program should b fixed so that more people could use it, as they are already in more use and better organized anyways.

i disagree. i think updating and overhauling the off-oekaki boards would let the art community flourish, and i feel a lot of people may move there from the oekaki boards. i would. i think lots of others in this thread would as well.

and i feel that fixing up a forum might be a lot easier than reworking an art program, though i'm not a coder, so i don't know if that's the case.

[superfruit!]

We’ve gotten somewhere!!!

As I said in a previous post though

COMMUNICATION!!!

We have Very little between mods and players and this ultimately played a part in this rightful uproar of anger towards the mods

Mods will make rules we don’t see fit and we get mad

It happens a lot

We need to communicate with help boards it’s mainly other users responding I get you mods are busy this is a volunteer job but we have to communicate this is for both ends

This probably made little sense but I’m very tired

[BoopoThyDrago]

A bigger project would mean people would use it if fixed. I know more people would use it, but most people would still use Oekaki. It would be a waste of time if it was updated and most people don't use it. I think that before fixing the non-Oekaki boards, the Oekaki program should b fixed so that more people could use it, as they are already in more use and better organized anyways.

i disagree. i think updating and overhauling the off-oekaki boards would let the art community flourish, and i feel a lot of people may move there from the oekaki boards. i would. i think lots of others in this thread would as well.

and i feel that fixing up a forum might be a lot easier than reworking an art program, though i'm not a coder, so i don't know if that's the case.

I agree with you, it was just to throw a slightly different opinion in there to show a different side. I do think that they need to be updated.

On the spot of coding, I thought it would be easier to update one thing than adding more to something that needs pretty much a complete overhaul. I am not a coder, so I might also be wrong, lol.

[chimeriae]

even if the art program is reworked, it's not gonna work for everyone. i'd love to see the oekaki reworked to be uh.. more user friendly, and i'd try it out, but i doubt it'll ever be my main art program. i think that's true for a lot of people. there are always going to be off-oekaki artists here, fixing the oekaki isn't going to fix the problem that their art is going largely unseen.

quick thank you to the mods for working with us, i'm glad we're getting somewhere

[ford]

even if the art program is reworked, it's not gonna work for everyone. i'd love to see the oekaki reworked to be uh.. more user friendly, and i'd try it out, but i doubt it'll ever be my main art program. i think that's true for a lot of people. there are always going to be off-oekaki artists here, fixing the oekaki isn't going to fix the problem that their art is going largely unseen.

quick thank you to the mods for working with us, i'm glad we're getting somewhere

this, as well.
my laptop just doesn't run browser art programs very well at all. not to mention phones or tablets. even with an oekaki update, it would be very hard to use, maybe even worse if they add more features. keep in mind that oekaki (and any other browser art program) is not accessible to some of us as it is to the full oekaki artists.

i know i'm a broken record at this point, but i still stand by my idea on the first post. i believe it would be a huge step in keeping the art community on here alive.

[Wind Mage]

I genuinely appreciate you looking into it Simon, and unlocking the thread for me. I was under the assumption that a help ticket wouldn't have worked here since the post was already looked over a second time by the mods, which is why I asked on the thread. I'm sorry if this caused any of the mods trouble or made it into a bigger deal than it should have been

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Weighing the focus of the thread's discussion/point with the effort put in to both is probably the toughest part of a call like that. Is an adopter going in to adopt that headshot, or are they going for the fullbody? ^^;; It toes the line, but from the wrong side, unfortunately.

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This thread was definitely wrongfully locked, I've gone ahead and unlocked it for you. A drawing with that much effort should never be locked and clearly isn't spam so I apologize on behalf of the team for that mistake.

Also just to make sure I understand properly in the future, I've gotten two different responses from people on the mod team about the cover art debate. I know I'm a bit late, but if any mods are still on this thread, could I please ask for further clarification on what's considered crossing any sort of line irt spam?

[beestie]

Also just to make sure I understand properly in the future, I've gotten two different responses from people on the mod team about the cover art debate. I know I'm a bit late, but if any mods are still on this thread, could I please ask for further clarification on what's considered crossing any sort of line irt spam?

there seems to be some unclear communication between mods as well, which i think also needs to be addressed. i know simon probably has a ton to do but it would be nice if he were able to go through a list of questions like desmond did, considering he's the highest power we've gotten to respond to this thread, and i feel he has the biggest say in how rules are interpreted. maybe folks pose a question just for simon and he can get to it eventually? idk what would be easiest here, but i do think, if simon has an opportunity, him answering people's questions directly would clear quite a few things up.

i don't wanna make your job harder simon, promise! i just value your input and believe you hopefully hold the keys to some clear answers! <3

[Dia.]

I genuinely appreciate you looking into it Simon, and unlocking the thread for me. I was under the assumption that a help ticket wouldn't have worked here since the post was already looked over a second time by the mods, which is why I asked on the thread. I'm sorry if this caused any of the mods trouble or made it into a bigger deal than it should have been

-snip-
Weighing the focus of the thread's discussion/point with the effort put in to both is probably the toughest part of a call like that. Is an adopter going in to adopt that headshot, or are they going for the fullbody? ^^;; It toes the line, but from the wrong side, unfortunately.

-snip-
This thread was definitely wrongfully locked, I've gone ahead and unlocked it for you. A drawing with that much effort should never be locked and clearly isn't spam so I apologize on behalf of the team for that mistake.

Also just to make sure I understand properly in the future, I've gotten two different responses from people on the mod team about the cover art debate. I know I'm a bit late, but if any mods are still on this thread, could I please ask for further clarification on what's considered crossing any sort of line irt spam?

I'm in the process of working on wording with other staff, but I think the key is in what Simon clarified here:

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The purpose of this rule first and foremost is to cut back on the Oekaki board being cluttered with walls of spam drawings that are just text or 1-second sketches. If a "cover " can also function as a stand-alone drawing that clearly took effort and time to draw, then that should always be fine.

Edit: To clarify further, if it's clear that a user just made a quick sketch for the sole purpose of being able to post art from a different program, that is still subject to being locked. Drawings like the one above that that clearly took a lot of time and effort and can be considered a separate art piece should not be locked.

I intend to come back with some more details once it's worked out within the team, but wanted to let you know it's coming.