Dog Owner Chat V. 5

[eff]

i am asking to educate someone else.

can a shock collar be used for a dog fixating on another household dog, tensing up and then attacking the other dog? said dogs have lived together for a long time and gotten along well.
or will it make the aggression worse, and not break up a fight?

I don't really agree with e-collars in general. Simplistic training will fix the problem without hurting the dog (good way to also gain a relationship with said dog). Typically, the collars will shock when the dog barks or makes a noise via its vocal cords. I feel as though it is cruel to restrain an animal from vocalising with other animals or itself.

If you are getting a shock collar to stop aggression it won't work. And considering the dog is fixating itself into a new household (even a house without a dog), you don't want the dog to find similarities between being at home and being hurt. Basically, you want to familiarise the dog into a loving household, over one that will hurt him.

I believe your safest bet is basic aggression training. You put the two dogs together under heavy supervision and pull the dogs away at any signs of aggression. You should also isolate the dogs (in same style environment - the dogs can get jealous which leads to future attacks) when they are not being supervised. This can be in two different cages or pens (make sure the areas have beds and maybe a dog toy in dependence of how long you'll be away. Make sure they are watered and fed and have gone outside prior to this).

Aggression can have a variety of reasons. Too much pent up excitement can be one of them and a play fight can quickly step over the lines into a full-on brawl.

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[juicebox!]

@appology - i just thought i would mention that the collars you seem to be talked about are bark collars not e-collars. e-collars have three settings [beep, vibrate and shock]. most people keep the settings on beep and vibrate as thats enough correction but for a more stubborn dog they may go to shock.

[eff]

@appology - i just thought i would mention that the collars you seem to be talked about are bark collars not e-collars. e-collars have three settings [beep, vibrate and shock]. most people keep the settings on beep and vibrate as thats enough correction but for a more stubborn dog they may go to shock.

For the violent dogs, I would not have presumed they would have gotten an e-collar to beep at them or vibrate whilst having a fight. The vibrations or beeping would not distract a dog who is moving or barking/attacking. That is why I just thought that they would have thought it'd be a shock rather than the other options.

[Skysong]

I just held eye contact with Thor and Lilly as I was calling them in.

They looked at me like I was crazy :lol:

Also, I'm convinced Lilly doesn't know how to walk and she absolutely has to run everywhere. Thor saunters across the yard like "Yeah, you gotta wait for me." Then there's Lilly. Sprinting from the other side of the yard the second the door opens.

[shadow~wolf]

great advice you guys.

these dogs are usually fine together, they are of opposite genders and both spayed. the attacks are usually for seemingly no reason and sudden.

[taurus ;]

i am asking to educate someone else.

can a shock collar be used for a dog fixating on another household dog, tensing up and then attacking the other dog? said dogs have lived together for a long time and gotten along well.
or will it make the aggression worse, and not break up a fight?

I don't really agree with e-collars in general. Simplistic training will fix the problem without hurting the dog (good way to also gain a relationship with said dog). Typically, the collars will shock when the dog barks or makes a noise via its vocal cords. I feel as though it is cruel to restrain an animal from vocalising with other animals or itself.

If you are getting a shock collar to stop aggression it won't work. And considering the dog is fixating itself into a new household (even a house without a dog), you don't want the dog to find similarities between being at home and being hurt. Basically, you want to familiarise the dog into a loving household, over one that will hurt him.

I believe your safest bet is basic aggression training. You put the two dogs together under heavy supervision and pull the dogs away at any signs of aggression. You should also isolate the dogs (in same style environment - the dogs can get jealous which leads to future attacks) when they are not being supervised. This can be in two different cages or pens (make sure the areas have beds and maybe a dog toy in dependence of how long you'll be away. Make sure they are watered and fed and have gone outside prior to this).

Aggression can have a variety of reasons. Too much pent up excitement can be one of them and a play fight can quickly step over the lines into a full-on brawl.

Watch here:
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But when neighbors are complaining and then the city says get rid of the dog, then it's 'oh, they should have stopped the dog from barking'.

E-collars are a great tool when used correctly. Also high quality e-collars do not shock the dog, but rather stimulate muscles in the neck in a way that gets the dog's attention and furthermore, they are to be used only on the lowest level that gets the dog's attention. For most dogs this is no higher than 10, on a device that can go up to 99 or 100. Cruel? I think not.

[eff]

I just see it as:
You wouldn't put a collar on a childs neck if they misbehaved so it could vibrate/stimulate their muscles. Obviously, the stimulation isn't comforting, otherwise, it would not be used as a last resort to fixing an issue. The vibrations would be uncomfortable or the beeping would be annoying and the shocks are self-explanatory.
Whilst I agree that it isn't always done in methods that are abusive, it still doesn't render my opinions about it.

[taurus ;]

I just see it as:
You wouldn't put a collar on a childs neck if they misbehaved so it could vibrate/stimulate their muscles. Obviously, the stimulation isn't comforting, otherwise, it would not be used as a last resort to fixing an issue. The vibrations would be uncomfortable or the beeping would be annoying and the shocks are self-explanatory.
Whilst I agree that it isn't always done in methods that are abusive, it still doesn't render my opinions about it.

Used properly, they are not used to shock when a dog misbehaves or even to teach commands. They are used for commands that the dog knows, and used makes these known commands bombproof. Dogs are also not children and the fact that you are comparing them makes your argument unsound.
Do you have a dog?

[Cardinal]

-animal Need food two times a day, water all the time free to get, protection from sickness with vet care and help when sick or hurt(never put a healthy animal in the place where a dog did die from sickness or unknown things), protection and shelter from nature, contact to human each day for some h, the same to other animal atleast that they can see them, clean living area, enough place to move around and be a dog and so on...that is what a dog Needs
there is no real grey area....misstreatment, bad animal care, bad animal keeping and such is not right in any way!![/size]

I dont nessicerily disagree with you over most of this but my point was a dog on a chain for a short amount of time without visible food, water, or shelter is vastly different than a truly neglected dog. A dog that lives in the house and goes outside to excersize doesnt need a shelter nor food outside and water is arguable as its a house dog with water inside and is only outside x amount of time.

Now if a dogs main form of containment is a chain spot then yes shelter and water are certainly required. I dont take issue with people that do choose to utilize a chain as containment baring the dog gets fed, has water, has proper shelter, and gets excersized and interacted with an appropriate amount to fullfill the dogs needs; sled dogs, hunting dogs, etc would be a good example.

I only talk about this because some people think theres only ONE right way to keep a dog and thats on a couch and every dog on a chain or in a backyard is neglected. Seriously, a friend was repeatedly harrassed by someone calling animal control every time the dog was outside because her dog preferred to be outside and the do-good neighbor couldnt see a water dish (it was in the screened porch) nor food (fed inside) so the dog was being abused. We've had animal control called on us because there were two scary big black dogs running free in my yard.... You mean... my dogs that are on leash and Im standing with to go potty? Its important not to have knee jerk reactions and instead to pbserve the situation and remain levelheaded

[eff]

I just see it as:
You wouldn't put a collar on a childs neck if they misbehaved so it could vibrate/stimulate their muscles. Obviously, the stimulation isn't comforting, otherwise, it would not be used as a last resort to fixing an issue. The vibrations would be uncomfortable or the beeping would be annoying and the shocks are self-explanatory.
Whilst I agree that it isn't always done in methods that are abusive, it still doesn't render my opinions about it.

Used properly, they are not used to shock when a dog misbehaves or even to teach commands. They are used for commands that the dog knows, and used makes these known commands bombproof. Dogs are also not children and the fact that you are comparing them makes your argument unsound.
Do you have a dog?

I have two dogs but I am also close to children. With puppies, their needs are almost identical - food, drink, warmth, sanitation and socialising. I don't believe that the dogs should be treated with any less respect than a child and even human. It is not the only method of training.
Regardless of any input, you have on the subject, the collar will not help the dogs aggression. Its aggression has a cause and that cause will only worsen if it's punished. The safest and most efficient way of getting rid of the aggression is to find the problem and then solve it. Whether this is fear of the other dog or just caught up in excitement/has too much energy, the collar won't help.