Dog Owner Chat V. 5

[Dang It Moon Moon!]

Hello ^^ I just found this post and wanted to ask something.
Does anyone here have had any experience with a 50% wolf dog? We were asked to take him in since he is not suitable for living in a pack and we've had a 25% before but I am not sure about a 50% one. I had to train our old One and it was very time consuming and I am sacred that training him would be even harder and I am sacred that I might not do it right.
Any help is appreciated. Thank you ^^

[Imzadi83]

haven't posted on here in a very long while!

taught my pupper kato, to play the piano on command. it's pretty cute. i'm a little worried that the keyboard might get scratched up though. anyways, im gonna be dog sitting for a few days starting monday! the dog is an older husky named max. pretty chill and actually puts up with my boston terrier. my dad wasn't for it though, but i bullied him into saying yes [whoops]. the dog will have to stay downstairs though. im gonna sleep in the basement suite so he won't get lonely, but im worried how he will cope while i'm at school, with being in an environment that he's not used to. i would leave kato down with him, but they've never been alone together so i wouldn't feel comfortable in doing so. max is very tolerant and patient but if kato pestered him too much something could happen. I was wondering if any of you guys could help with that?

on a side note, i was finally able to find some dog food with some better ingredients. it's canned, by president's choice. i picked up a few different ones to try out cause kato can have a picky stomach (he'll eat anything, but likely throw up). link to one of the canned foods . if anyone would give me a second opinion on it, that would be great!

Honestly I wouldn't leave my own dogs alone with one I'm dog sitting. the risk of something happening isn't worth it. To help with Max, ask the owner for a bed/blanket that he's used and has his scent on it, and ask for something with the owner's scent on it as well (worn t-shirt or pillowcase for example). The familiar scent will help the dog settle in. Try to tire the dog out before you leave him alone and leave him with a puzzle toy if the owner approves (some dogs can't be trusted left alone with anything). If he's going to be loose while you're away make sure the area is dog proof. And I'd go ahead and start working on alone training as soon as you get him in preparation for when you have to leave for school.

As for the piano, that is a cool trick! Have you considered using http://www.softpaws.com, they could help prevent any scratching.

As far as the dog food is concerned, I personally would not care for anything that listed "meat by-products". It's not so much the "by-product" part but the fact that they do not name the meat source so you don't really know what is in there. Could be anything, the regulations for where they can get the meat and quality it is is really lacking in pet food.

[shadow~wolf]

i am asking to educate someone else.

can a shock collar be used for a dog fixating on another household dog, tensing up and then attacking the other dog? said dogs have lived together for a long time and gotten along well.
or will it make the aggression worse, and not break up a fight?

[ru.]

i am asking to educate someone else.

can a shock collar be used for a dog fixating on another household dog, tensing up and then attacking the other dog? said dogs have lived together for a long time and gotten along well.
or will it make the aggression worse, and not break up a fight?

As someone who is not opposed to the use of e-collars if used correctly and safely - I would say no. Definitely not.
A shock collar should not be used under any circumstance where a dog is fearful or aggressive. This can cause the dog to regress substantially and can even trigger a fight to occur where one might not have otherwise. And if used in the middle of a fight it can cause the dog to react even more aggressively as a direct reaction to the sensation of the shock.

Do not use a shock collar that way. It will help nobody and can really only make the problem worse.

[taurus ;]

i am asking to educate someone else.

can a shock collar be used for a dog fixating on another household dog, tensing up and then attacking the other dog? said dogs have lived together for a long time and gotten along well.
or will it make the aggression worse, and not break up a fight?

No, no and more no. Even the cheapest of e collars will have a label saying that they are NOT to be used for aggressive dogs or aggressive behaviors. The shocking can even make the dog more reactive and just worsen the whole situation. Yes, it can be used for fixation but NOT if the fixation is in an aggressive manner. A normal and stable dog fixates on other dogs because they want to play or are curious, about then, not because they want to attack them.

[Imzadi83]

i am asking to educate someone else.

can a shock collar be used for a dog fixating on another household dog, tensing up and then attacking the other dog? said dogs have lived together for a long time and gotten along well.
or will it make the aggression worse, and not break up a fight?

No, as everyone else has said a shock collar can easily make the dog more aggressive. Most aggression is based on fear, the best thing they can do is use counter conditioning to teach the dog not to be afraid. Also use management, when the dog is showing fear signals they should remove him from the situation. Also do not leave the dogs alone. I'd also recommend working with a positive reinforcement based trainer and/or behaviorist in this situation.

A positive interrupter can be taught to help with fixation, also they should work on training attention with distractions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBvPaqMZyo8

[juicebox!]

i am asking to educate someone else.

can a shock collar be used for a dog fixating on another household dog, tensing up and then attacking the other dog? said dogs have lived together for a long time and gotten along well.
or will it make the aggression worse, and not break up a fight?

is there a possibility the dog is getting aggressive due to just overall energy and overstepping their boundaries?

my dogs used to fight a lot. we used to say its because dobermans are prone to same-sex aggression and the other dog is a male. the doberman had been raised with the other male. i noticed whenever they got in fights it was usually cause the doberman was just a bundle of energy. we quickly taught him certain manners simply like waiting for his food and allowing our other dog to get food before him. we had our doberman sit whenever he got anything. it helped him control his energy. its very hard to explain but if it sounds the same maybe due some research. my tips would be to make sure the dog that starts the fight doesn’t get whatever he wants. that he has to wait for food, that he doesnt get to have what the other dog has, that he has to calm down in order to get what he wants, etc. we havent had much issues since. they can even eat together, share bones, play together, etc. and no fights have started since ive done this.

imzadi - thanks. i was simply asking for breed recommendations so i can look further into breeds. obviously i have a few picked out. i personally hate the labrador temperament and wish not to work with any in the future as i am already training my own labrador service dog. i am not a huge fan of the GSD personality as i see them as ‘too needy’. im mostly leaning towards the belgian tervuren. i would show them and obviously if theyd be suitable for breeding i may breed them and that could potentially start a breeding program. hope that makes sense. i plan on working more with whatever breed. its going to be a while in the future still. i just love to talk about the future, haha.

[Imzadi83]

@schistad; - Yeah, that makes sense. I'm not a Lab person myself either. I like them, they're just not for me.

What about a Dutch Shepherd, Giant or Standard Schnauzer, or Leonberger ?

[maninkari]

Pete is not amused



She decided to climb up a very large rock I was standing on, and then couldn't figure out how to get down since I wouldn't let her jump off. Eventually got her down safely, lol.

[Luzien]

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If the dog has:
- Lack of shelter
- Lack of food/water
- Lack of sanitation
- Abandoned (heavily restricted from human socialisation/illegal in all 50 states)
- The animal is tied or caged
- Chained.

Are these signs of abuse?
I dont really consider a couple of these to be black and white. Chaining and tethering can be pretty grey area and if done responsibly certainly arent abuse. Not having visible food/shelter/water also is pretty grey area. I mean a nasty 5x5 pen with a clearly emaciated dog and you know its there aaalllll the time is pretty different than a well fed dog put on a chain to excersize for a couple hours with no dog house or visible food, lol.

you know...but it is it can happen sometimes that a dog has no water(but should not as not healthy and you also do not go without water ...but there are some stupid Dogs who throw over there water bowl but then you Need a bether one that cant be turned over) or that the yard is a little bit dirty as you where away and had no time at this day, but not all the time...

but one Thing is never accepted:
- a dog should have a good shelter from heat cold sun rain wind and so on all the time (big enough for the dog to stand and turn around without hitting the wall or roof in it when it is shelter/dog house)
... or do you sit outside all day in all season with nothing then thin clothing it is bad and unresponsible behavior of a owner to not give there dog shelter...not accepted!!
-The same goes for water..it should be enough, clean and put in the shade when hot outside so that it stays cool and ice free in cold season
-clean area...yes is important too ... accident can happen but there is no Problem to clean the Dogs area once-twice a day or when a large Yard with Meadow every other day cleaning.
- to chain up a dog is bad...when working dog ad it is only there for short time alright but this crazy we Need a dog but chain it up outside 24/ or for 8-12h each day....why do i get a dog for this.....they are no danerous crimials but intelligent beings with feeling....(the same goes for those poor caged neary all day beasts....so inhuman and animal unfriendly and against the law in all the ways.......and i talk about smale cages-kennel where dog cant walk around jump an play with enough space and freedom as they deserve! when it is a large kennel with a real nice big doghouse and shelter with a large dog run it can work...)
- and no food...when one sees this that a dog does not get food each day...that is cruel

-animal Need food two times a day, water all the time free to get, protection from sickness with vet care and help when sick or hurt(never put a healthy animal in the place where a dog did die from sickness or unknown things), protection and shelter from nature, contact to human each day for some h, the same to other animal atleast that they can see them, clean living area, enough place to move around and be a dog and so on...that is what a dog Needs
there is no real grey area....misstreatment, bad animal care, bad animal keeping and such is not right in any way!!


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Shadow~Wolf wrote:
i am asking to educate someone else.
can a shock collar be used for a dog fixating on another household dog, tensing up and then attacking the other dog? said dogs have lived together for a long time and gotten along well.
or will it make the aggression worse, and not break up a fight?

uneducated in this training people should never use e-collar, prong and such training aids from pro.....!!! they should go to a trainer with both dogs, train the dog with to much energy more so that it calms down....

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Dang It Moon Moon!:
Hello ^^ I just found this post and wanted to ask something.
Does anyone here have had any experience with a 50% wolf dog? We were asked to take him in since he is not suitable for living in a pack and we've had a 25% before but I am not sure about a 50% one. I had to train our old One and it was very time consuming and I am sacred that training him would be even harder and I am sacred that I might not do it right.
Any help is appreciated. Thank you ^^

not yet as i only got info about them, as im not reay for one in the moment, sorry, but from what i did learn...
not sure about this....it depends on the animal...how it is, what training it got, the age...is it still a puppy? where they did keep it (like it should be toether in the house with the Family or half wilde outside in a large wold area)
you only know this with around 25% or lower as who are more like a dog, but this can be more wolf like.....
know that it will be with you in the house and wherever you go most of the time, the yard must be real high fenced and digging proofed. to the Training it all depends on the animal. you need to meet the dog, see how it is and such.....but anyway...it will be time consuming like nothing else....you Need to get as much contact to Dogs an human and animal as possible, Training in different Areas and so on to get a well trained dog in the end...maybe a nice dog group where you can walk with different ones each day and get help in Training an events!