Dog Owner Chat v4

[Kasper]

Wow, I haven't been here in forever!
Happy to announce I've finally settled on a dog breed - Great Danes.
Tentative breeder selection is Cilka Danes (x).
I say tentative because the breeder is planning on keeping 2 of the pups (since the sire and dam are both extremely well shown and well-rounded). As we're a show home, we're hoping for a lucky turnout of 3 show-quality pups to allow for us c:
Sire is BISS AM Ch BMW Architect of Jericho ROM, HOF (Aj) and the dam is BBPISS EX MHIT Ch Cilka's Peppercorn
V Duncndane CGN, CD, RA, VGD (Pepper).

Opinions on Cilka would be much appreciated~




I'm curious as to why they don't allow Harlequins to be placed in pet homes. The only reason I can think of is that they are focusing on the color in the breeding program. This concerns me as color should be a low priority of a responsible breeder. I'm not familiar with Great Danes in particular, but to me catering to a color fad doesn't jive with responsible breeding to me. Other than that they look good on paper.



I actually spoke with the breeder over the phone about that. In the breed, the colours that are possible are merle, brindle, fawn, black, harlequin, blue, and mantle. (There are also rarities like fawnequin, but that has to be intentionally bred for and reputable breeders will almost never have any "combo" colours like that.) Harlequins aren't as common as the other colours and look quite unique, leading to many people asking about them for sale. However, only brindles, fawns, blues, blacks, harlequins, and mantles are acceptable for showing. So, the breeder only sells harlequins to show or performance homes where they actually need a harlequin, since pet homes can have any other colour.

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The litter is due any day and I'm so excited! c:

[shadow~wolf]

Oh no you guys :c
So I was outside with Lucky and he knows how to catch things really well and I was going to take a slow motion video of him catching a ball but he wasn't paying attention and it hit him in the head. His reaction is kind of funny but i still feel bad. He seems perfectly fine and i pet him afterwards.

[Eremite]

Wow, I haven't been here in forever!
Happy to announce I've finally settled on a dog breed - Great Danes.
Tentative breeder selection is Cilka Danes (x).
I say tentative because the breeder is planning on keeping 2 of the pups (since the sire and dam are both extremely well shown and well-rounded). As we're a show home, we're hoping for a lucky turnout of 3 show-quality pups to allow for us c:
Sire is BISS AM Ch BMW Architect of Jericho ROM, HOF (Aj) and the dam is BBPISS EX MHIT Ch Cilka's Peppercorn
V Duncndane CGN, CD, RA, VGD (Pepper).

Opinions on Cilka would be much appreciated~

At first they looked like a wonderful until I saw their planned pairing. Pairing merles or harlequins to merles or harlequins can/will produce doubles which either die at birth, are blind, deaf, or have many other health issues. No reputable breeder would ever do such a pairing so I'd look for another breeder who isn't planning a litter that will produce unhealthy pups. It shows that they're focusing more on the color of the dog than the health of the pups.

[tea!]

Wow, I haven't been here in forever!
Happy to announce I've finally settled on a dog breed - Great Danes.
Tentative breeder selection is Cilka Danes (x).
I say tentative because the breeder is planning on keeping 2 of the pups (since the sire and dam are both extremely well shown and well-rounded). As we're a show home, we're hoping for a lucky turnout of 3 show-quality pups to allow for us c:
Sire is BISS AM Ch BMW Architect of Jericho ROM, HOF (Aj) and the dam is BBPISS EX MHIT Ch Cilka's Peppercorn
V Duncndane CGN, CD, RA, VGD (Pepper).

Opinions on Cilka would be much appreciated~

At first they looked like a wonderful until I saw their planned pairing. Pairing merles or harlequins to merles or harlequins can/will produce doubles which either die at birth, are blind, deaf, or have many other health issues. No reputable breeder would ever do such a pairing so I'd look for another breeder who isn't planning a litter that will produce unhealthy pups. It shows that they're focusing more on the color of the dog than the health of the pups.

aaa I realized that too, most likely those pups born will be double Merle
and as Eremite wrote, have a high chance of being Blind, deaf or both. Not including
the huge list of other illnesses. They seem like such a good breeder too, which confuses
me as to why they would breed two Merle's together ? The litter will most likely have
many health defects .

[bloodredsheep]

Wow, I haven't been here in forever!
Happy to announce I've finally settled on a dog breed - Great Danes.
Tentative breeder selection is Cilka Danes (x).
I say tentative because the breeder is planning on keeping 2 of the pups (since the sire and dam are both extremely well shown and well-rounded). As we're a show home, we're hoping for a lucky turnout of 3 show-quality pups to allow for us c:
Sire is BISS AM Ch BMW Architect of Jericho ROM, HOF (Aj) and the dam is BBPISS EX MHIT Ch Cilka's Peppercorn
V Duncndane CGN, CD, RA, VGD (Pepper).

Opinions on Cilka would be much appreciated~

At first they looked like a wonderful until I saw their planned pairing. Pairing merles or harlequins to merles or harlequins can/will produce doubles which either die at birth, are blind, deaf, or have many other health issues. No reputable breeder would ever do such a pairing so I'd look for another breeder who isn't planning a litter that will produce unhealthy pups. It shows that they're focusing more on the color of the dog than the health of the pups.

what merle great dane I don't see them?
do you mean pepper? Pepper is a harlequin isn't she? I don't know much on genetics or great danes but harlequins can have dilute spots.
http://www.doggenetics.co.uk/harlequin.html

[Keriae]

Wow, I haven't been here in forever!
Happy to announce I've finally settled on a dog breed - Great Danes.
Tentative breeder selection is Cilka Danes (x).
I say tentative because the breeder is planning on keeping 2 of the pups (since the sire and dam are both extremely well shown and well-rounded). As we're a show home, we're hoping for a lucky turnout of 3 show-quality pups to allow for us c:
Sire is BISS AM Ch BMW Architect of Jericho ROM, HOF (Aj) and the dam is BBPISS EX MHIT Ch Cilka's Peppercorn
V Duncndane CGN, CD, RA, VGD (Pepper).

Opinions on Cilka would be much appreciated~

At first they looked like a wonderful until I saw their planned pairing. Pairing merles or harlequins to merles or harlequins can/will produce doubles which either die at birth, are blind, deaf, or have many other health issues. No reputable breeder would ever do such a pairing so I'd look for another breeder who isn't planning a litter that will produce unhealthy pups. It shows that they're focusing more on the color of the dog than the health of the pups.

what merle great dane I don't see them?
do you mean pepper? Pepper is a harlequin isn't she? I don't know much on genetics or great danes but harlequins can have dilute spots.
http://www.doggenetics.co.uk/harlequin.html

As far as I know, harlequins are merles with white?

[bloodredsheep]

As far as I know, harlequins are merles with white?

I ment like where's the merle dog that the breeder is planing to breed. I only see 2 females a black and a harlequin where is the merle?
I don't agree with harl x harl breedings and would never pick a pup from a breeder who breeders Harlequin x Harlequin of course seeing as they still usually produce one pup that is a double merle the rest are reabsorbed. I though to great dane breeders its ok to breed them though?

[tea!]

Wow, I haven't been here in forever!
Happy to announce I've finally settled on a dog breed - Great Danes.
Tentative breeder selection is Cilka Danes (x).
I say tentative because the breeder is planning on keeping 2 of the pups (since the sire and dam are both extremely well shown and well-rounded). As we're a show home, we're hoping for a lucky turnout of 3 show-quality pups to allow for us c:
Sire is BISS AM Ch BMW Architect of Jericho ROM, HOF (Aj) and the dam is BBPISS EX MHIT Ch Cilka's Peppercorn
V Duncndane CGN, CD, RA, VGD (Pepper).

Opinions on Cilka would be much appreciated~

At first they looked like a wonderful until I saw their planned pairing. Pairing merles or harlequins to merles or harlequins can/will produce doubles which either die at birth, are blind, deaf, or have many other health issues. No reputable breeder would ever do such a pairing so I'd look for another breeder who isn't planning a litter that will produce unhealthy pups. It shows that they're focusing more on the color of the dog than the health of the pups.

what merle great dane I don't see them?
do you mean pepper? Pepper is a harlequin isn't she? I don't know much on genetics or great danes but harlequins can have dilute spots.
http://www.doggenetics.co.uk/harlequin.html

Merle's and Harlequins are the same, just different names but same genetics c:
here's a good website : http://www.whitekissesgreatdanerescue.com/double-merle-awareness

edit : I'm looking at these two on this page - http://www.cilkadanes.com/Puppies.html

[bloodredsheep]

here's the link according to Great Dane Club of America it's an approved breeding practice. Now I don't agree with it but according to them its ok. http://www.gdca.org/colorcode.html

[tea!]

here's the link according to Great Dane Club of America it's an approved breeding practice. Now I don't agree with it but according to them its ok. http://www.gdca.org/colorcode.html



that really shouldn't be approved :c
Here's is an image to explain double Merle's better.



red = puppies who died from the lethality of the harlequin gene
pink = puppies born with double Merle, so deaf / blind pups
yellow = puppies born with undesirable coat colors
white = the 4/16 are the ones born without any problem

An amazing Instagram that follows the story of a Great Dane pup
who I believe were bred from two Merle's is called quinns_story