oekaki thumbnails discussion {READ FIRST POST}

[JK341]

I just finished reading over this as well and i can see valid points from both ends, actually. I can see where getting that big red lock on your art post can put a sinking feeling in your gut or even cause anger, but there are many that are aware of this rule but choose to bypass it anyways, whether it was enforced or not. Doesnt matter if it was a sketch or a fully rendered piece, if its still just meant to be a cover photo it still kinda breaks that rule, ya know? Also from my take on it, there were what, only like, 2-3 art mods on site until just recently when they brought a bunch more onto the team? So from what im seeing there's more staff available to pick up the slack where there used to be so much user base vs staff that things would get buried before they could see it, but i do agree that the lack of warning has created somewhat of a knee-jerk reaction among the community just based on what im seeing here.


Remember that they have said you can retrieve these original art pieces back without the big lock on them by sending in a ticket requesting it. I promise you the staff arent out to get ya and arent constantly looking for who they can ban next or anything, as long as youre being reasonable about things. <3

For those talking about how the off Oekaki art forums are a bit of a mess, my suggestion is to actually start using them more, as counterintuitive as that sounds. Site coders tend to put more effort in improving things on their site that they see their user base making the most use of, with the lesser used things kind of being left as is. If more of the community uses those forums it sends a message that "hey, maybe we should start working to make this better for these guys!" Worried that it won't be noticed? Advertise your art thread. Put a link to it in your signature, put a link to it on your trading thread, in your trading rules. Heck even in your regular Oekaki posts as a side note thing to go along with the main art piece you created on the Oekaki itself so it wont get locked. ^^

[hundemaul]

Honestly I'd prefer if staff members did something like this this more often instead of locking something;
In this screenshot, you can clearly see an oekaki piece, but if you look at the forum, it shows it's not in the oekaki threads, but in the adoptable forums.

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Clicking the image will bring you here, moving the art piece to a place where it doesnt "break rules" but also notifying the artists followers of an artpiece. Maybe if the piece is "colored in" itll still show an image until you click on it and itll link to the character adoption forums.
It would be so nice to be able to submit our thread into that forum in the same way a staff member is doing it to this art piece.

My least favorite part about moving "covered" adopts & designs to the forums is there would be no notification for the artists art or designs, it wouldnt show up in the oekaki feed and unless you stalk the character design forum you might never see it!


Also, please clean up the design art forums, the one forum is so hard to navigate, it should be separated into atleast 3 ways; character design shops (for custom made characters), character folder trades & sales (like advertising your toyhouse or sta.sh for trade), and one-off adopts for the oekaki "covered" adopts. So you can have as many adopts as youd like and you dont have to recycle the same thread over and over- itd keep your posts neat like oekaki ones do.

Thank you for wording it so much better than I ever could've! My post got a little skimmed over, but I hope this gets addressed.

[Silver Pandorica]

@Buzz Aesthetic
That's such a cool idea! That is a big part of the issue for me as well, not being able to get a notification for artists I follow. Maybe if there was some sort of notification system in place for off-oekaki art...? I'm honestly not sure how that would work, but maybe it could solve the cover problem.

[div]

Honestly I'd prefer if staff members did something like this this more often instead of locking something;
In this screenshot, you can clearly see an oekaki piece, but if you look at the forum, it shows it's not in the oekaki threads, but in the adoptable forums.

20201127_020234.jpg

Clicking the image will bring you here, moving the art piece to a place where it doesnt "break rules" but also notifying the artists followers of an artpiece. Maybe if the piece is "colored in" itll still show an image until you click on it and itll link to the character adoption forums.
It would be so nice to be able to submit our thread into that forum in the same way a staff member is doing it to this art piece.

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I think this is a really good idea. I think the oekaki pinging is really crucial to getting attention sometimes. This would allow for easier navigation. I think people are wanting the off-oekaki art boards to be like the oekaki and coded neater, but however it'd be a bit hard due to just one coder. I think this would possibly be a simpler option, possibly? It wouldn't take rewriting and adding in more forums.

[aerolysm]

as much as i support an overhaul of the off-oekaki boards to make them more popular, there is no way this suggestion will work. moderation will need to ramp up tenfold, both on the "is this cs appropriate" side and the art theft side.

the main issue with uneven enforcement of rules on the site here that people are (rightfully) angry about is because mods cannot keep up with the amount of content posted on this site daily. there is no way they would be able to add on an entirely new image-hosting portion of the website when they're already struggling with oekaki.

edit: to address ford's last statement about uploading images with bbcode - it would be harder to moderate because traffic would increase.

just wanted to bring this back up since it kind of got overlooked

i 100% support making a new oekaki section, or reworking the non-oekaki art forums, but the cs team is very small and introducing something new like that would be extremely overwhelming for the staff. we have to keep in mind that they're not superhumans and they have their own personal lives, so moderating the oekaki AND this theoretical other board would be kind of a big deal.

[div]

as much as i support an overhaul of the off-oekaki boards to make them more popular, there is no way this suggestion will work. moderation will need to ramp up tenfold, both on the "is this cs appropriate" side and the art theft side.

the main issue with uneven enforcement of rules on the site here that people are (rightfully) angry about is because mods cannot keep up with the amount of content posted on this site daily. there is no way they would be able to add on an entirely new image-hosting portion of the website when they're already struggling with oekaki.

edit: to address ford's last statement about uploading images with bbcode - it would be harder to moderate because traffic would increase.

just wanted to bring this back up since it kind of got overlooked

i 100% support making a new oekaki section, or reworking the non-oekaki art forums, but the cs team is very small and introducing something new like that would be extremely overwhelming for the staff. we have to keep in mind that they're not superhumans and they have their own personal lives, so moderating the oekaki AND this theoretical other board would be kind of a big deal.

^^^

This does actually bring up the question, would people use the off-oekaki boards more if they were rewritten? If a lot of people don't use them now as-is, and oekaki is still popular, I think people would still choose oekaki anyway. Modding the oekaki and the other boards would be a lot, and considering there's only 7 oekaki mods(last that I counted) and who knows how many topics that'd be, it'd be a lot. I think there is a certain point into which there is a certain aspect of what people want is also weighed by the work that needs to be put into it.

[GothFairy]

I think it’s unfair when the mods lock a oekaki that has a full drawing used on the oekaki aswell as one offsite tbh

[ford]

^^^

This does actually bring up the question, would people use the off-oekaki boards more if they were rewritten? If a lot of people don't use them now as-is, and oekaki is still popular, I think people would still choose oekaki anyway. Modding the oekaki and the other boards would be a lot, and considering there's only 7 oekaki mods(last that I counted) and who knows how many topics that'd be, it'd be a lot. I think there is a certain point into which there is a certain aspect of what people want is also weighed by the work that needs to be put into it.

if they had a better layout similar to oekaki, i would absolutely start using them. there's so much of my art that i want to share but i just have never felt motivated to, seeing that the entire off-oekaki section is a barren desert.

i'm sure there's also a possibility of hiring a new sector of the team to moderate as well? maybe a mod team exclusively for the off-oekaki art section that knows how to deal with art theft and any other issues that may come up.

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This thread was definitely wrongfully locked, I've gone ahead and unlocked it for you. A drawing with that much effort should never be locked and clearly isn't spam so I apologize on behalf of the team for that mistake.

thank you, simon. seeing that get locked is what sparked this discussion in the first place, so seeing that fixed helps soothe my worries a bit.

i still believe that some work needs to be done, though. especially for the off-oekaki art community on here. we've been painfully neglected.

[Simon]

I'm just now getting through this thread so apologies that it's taken this long for an admin response.



IIf the definition of spam really is the "clear focus that the thread is the completed character, not the drawing in the cover", then by your own definition, some pieces of art being locked don't deserve it. Like... As an example, my own c4c cover from a few days ago was locked, when the "cover" took me three hours to draw, and the art under it from clip took literally 15 minutes. I thought it was pretty clear just by looking at it that it was meant to be it's own standalone art separate from the clip studio art, and that it wasn't just a throwaway lazy cover. (AKA clean lineart, shading, and coloring in the lines. Which the alleged "main focus of the oekaki post" was missing.)



This thread was definitely wrongfully locked, I've gone ahead and unlocked it for you. A drawing with that much effort should never be locked and clearly isn't spam so I apologize on behalf of the team for that mistake. If you ever think a thread was wrongfully locked or a moderator has taken an action that is not correct please send in a help ticket appealing the issue.

The purpose of this rule first and foremost is to cut back on the Oekaki board being cluttered with walls of spam drawings that are just text or 1-second sketches. If a "cover " can also function as a stand-alone drawing that clearly took effort and time to draw, then that should always be fine.

Edit: To clarify further, if it's clear that a user just made a quick sketch for the sole purpose of being able to post art from a different program, that is still subject to being locked. Drawings like the one above that that clearly took a lot of time and effort and can be considered a separate art piece should not be locked.

[Shadow Milk]

I think the solution that would work best in the long run, though it would be by far the most difficult to implement, would be to just fix ChickenPaint. There are several reasons people aren’t using Oekaki and instead working offsite and putting it under covers:

1. ChickenPaint does not work on mobile, so iPad users such as myself are almost completely unable to use it at all. Fixing CP so it can be used on mobile would make the world’s difference. And I don’t just mean making it “technically” work on mobile, I mean making it truly mobile-friendly. I know it would be hard to do, but I really do think it would be worth it.

2. CP is, to be quite honest, not a very good drawing program. It’s got the bare minimum, and that’s basically it. I understand why it would be irrational to expect something like Procreate to be on a free forum game like chickensmoothie, but there are free drawing apps that work beautifully and take very little storage. Even just a few improvements to the layout would be nice.

3. CP is very glitchy. I’ve had things deleted for basically no reason while working on them, and there’s no way to recover them. Fixing some of the bugs and making it a reliable drawing program would bring a lot more people back into the actual oekaki boards in my opinion.

Again, I know this would be a major change and likely not something we would get within the next few months or anything, but I think it’s worth bringing up the reasons why users dislike Oekaki so much.