Middle Earth! {Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit} V4

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Re: Middle Earth! {Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit} V4

Postby Greenleaf » Fri May 02, 2014 7:42 am

Wow.
(Minor spoilers ahead)

You know in the movie DoS, whilst Thranduil is talking to Thorin, he briefly shows this horrific not-even-CS-appropriate burn scar on his face to him? So on Tumblr I found out that there's a slowly-growing movieverse headcanon about Thranduil being completely blind due to that scar. (Link is here)

:what: being a huge bookverse Tolkienite, I personally am okay with small headcanons, but this one seems... risky. I don't really know how to explain it; I just have NEVER seen someone have such a huge headcanon before. I highly doubt that this is true in the actual books, but in the movies...

I just wanted your opinions on this.
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Re: Middle Earth! {Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit} V4

Postby majima » Fri May 02, 2014 7:44 am

I Freaked out when i saw the scar it was unexpected
well im pretty sure he could see
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Re: Middle Earth! {Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit} V4

Postby Greenleaf » Fri May 02, 2014 7:50 am

Yeah, I suppose it is. x3 all those exposed muscles and sinews and all.
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Re: Middle Earth! {Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit} V4

Postby The Winter Soldier » Fri May 02, 2014 6:31 pm

i believe in the movie thranduil is blind on the side that we saw the scar on o.O but thats pretty much it not fully blind but partially and just on one side in the movieverse o.O yep bookverse and movieverse are starting to become seperate just like marvel comicverse and marvel movieverse. i of course recently found a modder for skyrim who decided to build middle earth one small map at time and navmesh them into skyrim he has successfully made lothlorien o.O mirkwood west and eastement also helms deep he plans on making erebor minas tirinith and isengard as well as mordor but for the white city he says there are issues with creating it that he hopes too solve in the future. o.o he is working on rivendell right now.
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Re: Middle Earth! {Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit} V4

Postby .Vetinater. » Sat May 03, 2014 9:44 am

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Greenleaf wrote:Wow.
(Minor spoilers ahead)

You know in the movie DoS, whilst Thranduil is talking to Thorin, he briefly shows this horrific not-even-CS-appropriate burn scar on his face to him? So on Tumblr I found out that there's a slowly-growing movieverse headcanon about Thranduil being completely blind due to that scar. (Link is here)

:what: being a huge bookverse Tolkienite, I personally am okay with small headcanons, but this one seems... risky. I don't really know how to explain it; I just have NEVER seen someone have such a huge headcanon before. I highly doubt that this is true in the actual books, but in the movies...

I just wanted your opinions on this.


Hmmm. I find it a very fascinating speculation, though I would not be so bold as to deem it wise or true. I agree with you, Greenleaf, that the basis of this argument is relying entirely on the movie and not on the actual book. The author of the article actually admits that later on in the FAQ. It's all what's seen on screen, and coming from someone who does not have the inside information necessary to prove it.
Now, typically something like this wouldn't bother me whatsoever, and I would handle it as any other rumor, theory, or speculation that's thrown out there on the internet (I would just shrug it off); but seeing as Thranduil is such a staple character on the journey to the Lonely Mountain, this is enough to give me a slight pause. Thranduil - blind? The points made to uphold this curious theory might seem valid enough when it comes to the screen-play... but are they? Who can say what the truth behind this matter is, unless it is coming from Lee Pace or the PJ himself. That, or more could be revealed come the last movie this winter.. though I doubt it. All in all, even after considering what has been said in that article, I think Thranuduil's actions are far too coordinated if he was really blind in both eyes. That's my opinion. He may be blind in one eye, but I highly doubt that both eyes have become impossible to use.
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Re: Middle Earth! {Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit} V4

Postby Nemraeg Taog » Sat May 03, 2014 1:23 pm

Greenleaf wrote:Wow.
(Minor spoilers ahead)

You know in the movie DoS, whilst Thranduil is talking to Thorin, he briefly shows this horrific not-even-CS-appropriate burn scar on his face to him? So on Tumblr I found out that there's a slowly-growing movieverse headcanon about Thranduil being completely blind due to that scar. (Link is here)

:what: being a huge bookverse Tolkienite, I personally am okay with small headcanons, but this one seems... risky. I don't really know how to explain it; I just have NEVER seen someone have such a huge headcanon before. I highly doubt that this is true in the actual books, but in the movies...

I just wanted your opinions on this.


Personally, I believe this is just something that PJ wanted to throw in on Thranduil for the "oomph." There really isn't any other case of another elf having similar powers that he has "shown" during that scene. One could argue that both Galadriel and Elrond both have other powers that no other elves have shown beforehand, but you must remember that Elrond has a unique lineage and that Galadriel was the last remaining elf in Middle-earth that had seen the Two Trees of Valinor; they also both possess two of the three elven rings, which may also assist/enable them to show such powers.
Also, there isn't too much known, beyond speculation, of Thranduil's past. So, in that sense, he could potentially have once had the scars that were shown in PJ's horrible adaptation. However, even then, with the elves' healing prowess, I highly doubt that the scars would show on his physical body, and that he would have been blind. He certainly doesn't act (within the movie) as one would if they were blind in at least one eye.

That there are my thoughts on this matter

And, just because...TL;DR: The entire thing is probably just PJ being an idiot.
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Re: Middle Earth! {Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit} V4

Postby Trphlthdl » Mon May 05, 2014 11:45 am

Maybe it was just until he healed fir awhile. There is no way he was blind in the movie.
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Re: Middle Earth! {Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit} V4

Postby majima » Mon May 05, 2014 11:47 am

I dont think Peter should have added that into the movie because its sorta messing up the great work Tolkien done and he should have asked Christifor Tolkien or any tolkien family member if he could that because it would be like copy right issues by changing the book
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Re: Middle Earth! {Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit} V4

Postby The Winter Soldier » Mon May 05, 2014 11:52 am

Christopher tolkien actually has no rights too the books or movies warner brothers has the intellectual property rights essentially christopher tolkien can't do anything because he sold the rights a long time ago tolkien estates hasn't had the rights too the hobbit or trilogy in years O.o though there are certain terms and conditions that warner brothers has too follow obviously they can pretty much do what they want within reason of course as long as it doesn't heavily modify the works entirely is my guess. I mean i don't know much about copy right but i do know that tolkien estates no longer holds rights too tolkien's works so the estate essentially has nothing too do with the movies.
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Re: Middle Earth! {Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit} V4

Postby Tom Bombadil » Mon May 05, 2014 11:54 am

The Winter Soldier wrote:Christopher tolkien actually has no rights too the books or movies warner brothers has the intellectual property rights essentially christopher tolkien can't do anything because he sold the rights a long time ago tolkien estates hasn't had the rights too the hobbit or trilogy in years O.o



That's a pity. I mean no offense to the fans of the movies, but I hated the Hobbit movies since they didn't follow the books. The LOTR movies came pretty close to the books, but the Hobbit movies just bug me.
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