Does anyone else feel like Demand is killing CS?

[XxFlamepoolxX]

It was just a suggestion. It seems completely fair to me. I don’t get why everyone is getting butthurt at me over it. Im trying to find a way to solve the issue with demand and the fact that some pets eventually will not be available at all due to inactivity, hoarding, and collections.

It is not theft if it is a site policy put into action. Its not like the mods would give everyone the password the the account and say “go ham on it”. It’s literally no different that what they do to accounts that were caught “cheating”. My old account was accused of cheating when i got hacked and the hacker made multiple trades to their account. Now THAT is theft and I had to pay the price for it even after pleading to get my account unsuspended.
I sat and watched for three years as the remaining pets sat and gathered dust until they were eventually thrown in the pound. Then I moved on. I came back and started from scratch. I don’t have all the super rare pets i did back then, but I’m working on getting them. Knowing now that the majority of them will basically never be in my hands again die to supply and demand is disheartening.

Thats why i say put the inactive pets back into the system. Those people chose to stop logging in. If given plenty of warning beforehand and told that all they have to do is take literally one minute of their time to log in and out, then they obviously don’t care about the pets enough to keep them. If they no longer use that email, then they should have set their account to their current one. Its in the settings menu.

[Loelya]

Those people chose to stop logging in.

I’m afraid this is one major flaw in the argument presented. This assumption that inactive players could have logged back in if they wanted to, and if they didn’t, then it’s fair game.

Hiatuses aren’t only taken because people lose interest in a game. Life can be a real hard hitter. Some people have major tragedies in their lives, or major changes outside of their control. I don’t think people are “butthurt” with you; I think the suggestion legitimately tugged on everyone’s empathy and each individual spoke up to say they don’t think that move would be justifiable or reasonable.

[FOUND VERDICT]

i feel like i will get some hate for this, but not everyone will get the chance to collect all the pets they want, that's just how it is.

i'm just going to take another site, flight rising, as example. there are items that were only available for an certain amount of time (like store pets) and those will never be re-released in the game. everyone knows that you'll have to save up an insane amount of currency to be able to even get a chance of obtaining them. if there's only an limited amount of something, people should respect that. why can't we do the same here with store pets.

[Loelya]

i feel like i will get some hate for this, but not everyone will get the chance to collect all the pets they want, that's just how it is.

i'm just going to take another site, flight rising, as example. there are items that were only available for an certain amount of time (like store pets) and those will never be re-released in the game. everyone knows that you'll have to save up an insane amount of currency to be able to even get a chance of obtaining them. if there's only an limited amount of something, people should respect that. why can't we do the same here with store pets.

inb4 hate to offer some love. I super agree with this.

I’m not saying that overinflated “demand” isn’t a problem in other ways besides the store pets. There are plenty of pets on the site that are being catapulted out of reach because no one wants (understandably) to trade them for anything other than insane overpay. [coughshimaLTcough] but the old store pets like the skelebun and orange cerb and such don’t really seem like they apply to the argument in the same way to me personally. it may just be that someday you don’t realistically see those at all, and I think based on the circumstances, that doesn’t need to be a game breaker.

[Shaireen]

I also wouldn't agree with taking pets from inactive players, there's always a chance someone will want to come back and play again. People might not remember they put old e-mail address here, I had several long breaks from game and I created my account over 9 years ago. It's plenty of time, I was a small kid back then, many things change in life and people might not be able to log in to the game but it doesn't mean that they will never come back. I think it's way more unfair to take pets from them than to do the re-release of Store pets.

I really think that the re-release of Store pets could be a huge thing, I know some people say that they only buy them because they aren't getting re-released but honestly... there truly isn't a solution that will satisfy everyone. I buy Store pets and I wouldn't mind them being re-released, I would really want that to happen because as some people mentioned in a few years the oldest store pets will be basically impossible to obtain and with their huge demand it actually is rather problematic. Maybe they weren't supposed to be part of the main game but they became it and I think everyone should have a chance of getting their dream pets without literally giving tons of other extremely valuable pets. Except December 18th and spending tons of money on C$ there really aren't many ways to get ANY list pets, not to mention the ones that are currently valued at over 10 nons. And without list pets and the ones with huge demand it's really difficult to trade for any pets of interest, it really used to be easier a few years back. It is just my opinion, I know that some people are completely against it but I just doubt that the demand issue and crazy expectations are going to get any better with time, so that's why I personally think that it could possibly require such action or coming up with another solution. And I am not saying that because I care so much about getting any of the older Store pets, I just think that lack of them affects whole game economy in a major way and I don't think it should be this way. Of course ideally people would just focus on other pets more and stop treating Store pets as main goal, but it is the way it is and I wish there could be a way to solve that to make trading a bit easier and more pleasant, as well as allow people to obtain their dream pets without such huge difficulties.

[skyline]

i feel like i will get some hate for this, but not everyone will get the chance to collect all the pets they want, that's just how it is.

i'm just going to take another site, flight rising, as example. there are items that were only available for an certain amount of time (like store pets) and those will never be re-released in the game. everyone knows that you'll have to save up an insane amount of currency to be able to even get a chance of obtaining them. if there's only an limited amount of something, people should respect that. why can't we do the same here with store pets.

i definitely stand with this. i think this is unreasonably being taken as unfair. store pets were released for those willing to spend real money on them, or of course trade for a good amount of c$ to get them. they're only available for a limited time for a reason, and it's super unfair to me to just take them from inactive accounts. some things are just super valuable, that's how it is.

imagine a user coming back after 5-6 years, and noticing their account has been wiped of pets, the worst thing is that later on if they actually did keep playing, they'd realize how valuable the pets they owned had become. call me crazy, but that sounds heartbreaking. the warning thing really wouldn't work well either, considering the only way to get through to them would be via email, and there's little chance of them checking that old email that they made their account with, and more so conveniently right before their account was just wiped.

[taurus ;]

I regularly see people come back to CS after years of hiatus, and they always seem quite relieved to see that their pets and items are still safe.
Personally I despise it when sites delete accounts after inactivity when those accounts have actually been used to play. The fact that CS won't ever punish people for not playing in a while is something that I greatly appreciate.
Taking inactive accounts out of the equation keeps the site 'clean' as far as making sure the rarities are kept accurate is concerned.
Pets getting rarer as they get older isn't accidental, it's been a predicted effect since the start of the game, or else CS wouldn't do releases the way it does.
There are games where rarities are meant to somewhat reflect the probability of obtaining a pet or item (Aywas and FR come to mind), but on CS, rarities are meant to reflect the overall numbers, and the limited releases/availability of pets intends to create a finite supply of them.
Re-releases are just there to make sure those pets never become entirely unobtainable^^

This is one of the reasons I am STILL on this site. Imagine going through things and your pets are just...taken from your account and thrown in the Pound...that you worked had for, maybe even years to get....
I'm SO glad CS doesn't do that. I can ALWAYS come back and find my stuff how I left it.


I can't believe people think that's fair, just so they can maybeee have a chance to own the pet. To a lot of people, these pets on this site have sentimental value, me included.

[taurus ;]

i feel like i will get some hate for this, but not everyone will get the chance to collect all the pets they want, that's just how it is.

i'm just going to take another site, flight rising, as example. there are items that were only available for an certain amount of time (like store pets) and those will never be re-released in the game. everyone knows that you'll have to save up an insane amount of currency to be able to even get a chance of obtaining them. if there's only an limited amount of something, people should respect that. why can't we do the same here with store pets.

People just can't accept that though. It's like literally impossible for them understand and respect the value of store pets and WHY they will NOT ever be rereleased.
Instead 'oh! let's take people's pets when they're on a hiatus :), forget how hard they possibly worked to get them OR how much money spent to get them OR what's going on in their life that they can't login' like wow. People's main argument is that greed is ruining CS...yet people are willing to suggest completely outrageous things so they can own store pets. THAT'S what's greedy, IMO.

Everyone can play this game different but WHAT is the point of setting unrealistic goals and just being mad at other people on the site when you can't achieve it? Instead of working towards other things??? I just don't understand.

[Shinryu]

Please do remember to keep things civil in discussion^^ Stuff like this is definitely a topic where strong opposing opinions turn up, but there's no reason to be making accusations towards each other.
I don't think anyone here is posting with mean intent, and at the end of the day it's a hypothetical debate in any case, as it's already been stated many times before that wiping and/or deleting accounts with pets on them isn't going to happen.

It's understandable that it would be disappointing for people to fall in love with a pet design only to find out it's hard or near impossible to obtain, and if there was a way to re-introduce older store pets without causing issues that would certainly be neat. But ultimately that's not a thing any of us get to decide, so we can really only work with what we have - which, right now, is simply the situation that old store pets are becoming scarce and have constantly increasing trade value. (And that, again, even hypothetically taking inactive accounts' pets into consideration, there just won't ever be enough of them to make everyone happy.)

They are outliers, though, as none of the other pets that "extreme demand" could be applied to come with the same issues. And I do think it's encouraging to keep in mind that there's a whooole world of VR and OMGSR pets out there which do remain obtainable, and that it's perfectly possible for people to get used to a new value system, just as they once started using the rares list.
That list, after all, didn't hatch into existence and usage overnight either^^

[serenitymontaza]

i've seen a few posts on here saying it used to be easy to get older pets.
did it??? when i was new i was only a little kid, and for the first four years i never got anything good from dec 18 and trust me, i tried to trade all the rares i had collected for one. i usually got blocked and threatened. eventually i traded every single rare i owned for a ur apple and through that way, and quantity auctions, i managed to work my way up the list and got a ur tiger. but i have only ever once got a list from dec 18, last year, so i think the point that the game has changed isn't true. it is just older now, and as well for me personally the pretty butterfly wolves no other pet site had aren't as interesting now, because they aren't as much of a novelty. and i dont collect horses because i love horses anymore sort of thing. i actually tried to hoard black and tan corgis as they look like my puppy that died, and i really felt like i was new again trying to trade for them, so much so that i actually gave up on doing it.
the point about older rares being harder, i would say, is just because the site is older. when i was new i'd send trades to people asking for their old pets for free, and alot actually accepted. but if i had double of a 2016 pet and someone asked me for that for free, i'd probably just accept. in fact, i've edited trades and just sent them as a gift because i wasn't interested in their pet or my own.
idk if this is relevant for the topic right now, just thought it was something to think about.