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Re: Jewel Mane Dragons

Postby m0chicakez » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:39 am

froggy & A-list wrote:
Well it's not just art een though there are gift lines so commissions & drawing things yourself isn't the only option. It's RP's and even a simple introduction in the FC or the mention of him/her anywhere on CS. If you have suggestions or problems with the rule them please PM Char. However there is no obligation for her to change it.

I don't mean just art either. And sure you can just mention them in the FC or something, but there is still a few who can't draw on their computer and draw traditionally instead? ouo
I never tried to be mean or rude, I just don't want Char to take the JMD away from the person right away, maybe that they could try to PM them or something before doing such a drastic move? I know it's sad when you see neglected dragons, but not all of those are actually neglecting them. They're just active with them in other ways^^

Hekomi wrote:
Charchar2 wrote:Want you to all now I have some new rules for my JMDs :>

Charchar2 wrote:
    But guys, I'm really sick of seeing my JMDs abandoned. So, starting with these new lines, I have a new rule. After you have owned a JMD made by me for one week, I will search through your posts. If I don't find their name in there; for art, RPs, or something kind of active with them, I will not hesitate to put them back up for adopt and find them a better home. If you're going on a vacation or something right after you get them, why not commission art? Or just explain or make a post on the fanclub or just do something so that I know you aren't treating my JMDs like everyone else does, like baby toys that are fun to get but then are left on a shelf to rot.
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That's not a fair rule to make. While you may be the design artist you cannot impose these rules onto people once they have won your design. For all you know they could be using the character in other ways.

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Re: Jewel Mane Dragons

Postby peppermintleo » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:47 am

Char, those rules are excellent, but a PM would be better. I would think this rule should be used on all of the JMDs, simply because if an artist puts work into a gorgeous design, that JMD should be used. I mean, its not that hard to drop bythe FC and say hi.
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Re: Jewel Mane Dragons

Postby Hekomi » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:50 am

Faded Reality. wrote:Char, those rules are excellent, but a PM would be better. I would think this rule should be used on all of the JMDs, simply because if an artist puts work into a gorgeous design, that JMD should be used. I mean, its not that hard to drop bythe FC and say hi.

You can't just take away a character someone has won because you do not think they are being used in the way you want them to be made. It's unfair to the user who won the character. They may not be interested in the fanclub, but could be doing their own private things with said character. I know I'm far too busy to use my WME but I still love him and would be very mad should someone decide that I "neglect" him and give him away.
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Re: Jewel Mane Dragons

Postby ∅blivi∅n » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:55 am

Hekomi wrote:
Faded Reality. wrote:Char, those rules are excellent, but a PM would be better. I would think this rule should be used on all of the JMDs, simply because if an artist puts work into a gorgeous design, that JMD should be used. I mean, its not that hard to drop bythe FC and say hi.

You can't just take away a character someone has won because you do not think they are being used in the way you want them to be made. It's unfair to the user who won the character. They may not be interested in the fanclub, but could be doing their own private things with said character. I know I'm far too busy to use my WME but I still love him and would be very mad should someone decide that I "neglect" him and give him away.


Hekomi, I totally understand where you are coming from but if you adopt a JMD you are supposed to at least do something on CS to show you didn't just enter to win one. Char has no way of knowing if they are doing something offsite and I think it would be a good idea if they were at least required to PM Char with a status update on their Jewlie a week after they adopt him or her. The problem is that this has happened on several occasions and char is a bit fed up with it. I am in no way trying to be rude but please try to understand that Char works very hard to create Jewlies that people will love and it hurts when they aren't being taken care of.

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Re: Jewel Mane Dragons

Postby Hekomi » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:59 am

The same thing happens with JBDs. Either way it's unfair for someone to take away a character simply because it's not being used the specific way you may want it to. Yes, it's annoying, but it's not fair.
A rule like that will get you into trouble and it's not allowed. While artists can impose rules on characters they make they should not be telling users they will take it away if they do not think they are being active enough with it.
Once the design has been "sold" or adopted, it is theirs to do with as they wish, and if they're not going to use your fanclub you can't punish them for it.

The only thing this rule will do is make hurt feelings on both sides and put the staff of the JMDs in a tricky situation with the CS staff and possibly get in trouble/get a warning.
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Re: Jewel Mane Dragons

Postby peppermintleo » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:01 am

I cant find the exact words to use, but its still cruel that is someone won a JMD, or any otheradoptable, that many other people tried for, only to let itgo to waste. I mean, sure. You dont haveto post in the fan club or join a fan forum, but that rules shouldbe used. I mean, some people just up and quit CS, and their adoptables and such are wasted. The rule should be a biy more leniant, but if theperson responds to the pm with an 'Ihavent forgotten about him/her, I just have the inability to be completely active with him/her' and that should be okay. And I agree with Olivion. The artists here try very hard to make designs that people will love, and if someone gets one to show off,but not do anything real with, that cant be okay. Cause it's taking away achance for someone who really loves that JMD, and its use.

I dont think thats whatChar meant though. I mean, if they adoptit, and when Char sends them a PM asking about the jewelie, they should say weither they still want them or not.
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Re: Jewel Mane Dragons

Postby Vulpine-Poltergeist » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:05 am

...Can you guys please stop fighting?

On another note..

I'll be drawing people's JMDs if they want me to, just PM me ^^
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Re: Jewel Mane Dragons

Postby Hekomi » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:09 am

I've made my own JBDs and I can speak for the rest of the artists there that we all work hard to make sure people love the designs. Sometimes someone adopts a dragon and makes a fantastic form but they don't keep it active. While it's upsetting to see that the design is not being used it is simply unfair to take the dragon away from the user. They won it fair and square and you shouldn't be taking away someone's character because they may not use it the same way you do.

I understand what it feels like to not see your design used, and no, it's not fun. Yes, someone else could be using it, but it is not the end of the world. Telling someone that after they put a lot of hard work into their form that they can no longer have said dragon is simply not fair and is mean. You can't bully people into using your adopt the way you want it to be used. I know several members of both communities who own dragons but do not necessarily keep them active in the way other people do.

A rule put in place like that, as I said, will just cause problems for everyone. You will lose potential community members and your staff could get in trouble with CS because of it.

Instead, why not make a rule which states "If you no longer want your JMD please PM the original artist so it may be put back up for adoption"? That way users who do not wish to use the character anymore can contact you. Otherwise it's just mean and honestly harassment to continue to PM and bother people because they are not using the character the way you want them to. We have banned users completely from the JBDs because of various reasons, and told them any beans they had were excluded from RPs, etc. but we did not remove their beans because that just causes drama, hurt feelings and far too much stress.

While it's frustrating to see a design "go to waste" keep in mind the user may still love the design. They might not know quite what to do with it yet, may be nervous, shy, there are plenty of reasons they might not "be active". A clause like that will not be allowed and will be edited out since it's simply mean towards the user base who try to adopt.
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Re: Jewel Mane Dragons

Postby Aurealis » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:10 am

Please feel free to take this down this comment if anyone feels that my comment is spam but I would really like to add my two cents into this conversation, even if it is later removed.

I believe that if someone puts the enough work into a form to adopt and win a creature (of any species) and the artist that made 'said creature chooses the owner based on the amount of work that they have shown with their form, then that alone should be a reason not to take away the pet that the enterer's pet. After all, can't putting in the effort to make a form qualify as loving the creature that they created the form for, enough to prove that they value/love their new creature?

Personally, I know that I haven't been as active with some of my favorite characters as I could be, but that isn't for lack of loving and cherishing them. It is simply because I spend my time doing other things on CS, and write stories (and sometimes even make little models of them) up at home. I don't always show it directly, but I do appreaciate the characters that I've won over my time on CS and would feel slightly insulted if someone told me that I was not doing my job in loving them, because that just simply isn't true.

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Also, I can understand the other side of the story as well, in that I can imagine that it would be very frusterating to see the designs that you had created be forgotten and neglected. However, I still hold the opinion that completly removing those pets from their owner's care is harsh punishment. Perhaps requiring applicants to prove that they already belong to the JMD fanclub when adopting out dragons might help solve this problem?

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Re: Jewel Mane Dragons

Postby tomatotomato » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:11 am

I agree with both sides—they should be active, but its unfair to take it away completely. How about if an artist feels that a character is not being active, they get a 'ban' from adopting any further JMDs until they can prove that they are being active with their character?
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