WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby JayBae333 » Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:21 pm

rabidcoyote wrote:I also do not appreciate responses like "staff isn't hostile" or "the site's security wasn't compromised" in response to discomfort at all. They resolve nothing and feel gaslight-y. I'd say the proper way to go about this would be "a significant number of people think (staff are hostile/CS security was breached) -> their views on this differ from mine, I feel comfortable, they don't -> I acknowledge their worries, so what can we do to help them feel comfortable?" - aside from very young people, please don't forget there is A LOT of neurodivergent users here, myself included.


THIS! Games are supposed to be fun for everyone & is supposed to be 'accessible' for everyone. Staff can sometimes sound like robots/monotone & that can come off as unwelcoming for nuerodivergent users or even users with anxiety & other things like that. It costs absolutely nothing to be a bit more gentle when someone breaks the rules & it costs nothing to give verbal warnings rather than suddenly giving someone a strike or whatever - I understand that they've likely seen some of the stuff that breaks the rules many times before but that's no excuse to be rude.

I understand that staff have lives outside of CS! That's understandable! And I see the point of them not being paid to be staff being brought up a bunch...but NOBODY forced them to be a staff member, they applied & they chose this route - if they can't afford to be kind to users then maybe they should quit?

People are all very different, people perceive things differently & telling them how they're 'SUPPOSED' to feel is downright detestable. Even if some staff aren't trying to be rude/hostile they have to understand that sometimes they can be perceived that way by other people.
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby Xesei » Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:23 pm

aelius wrote:
CHINARIZING wrote:-snip-
I would have more reason to be on here if CS could choose between being 100% kid-safe no predatory tactics or embracing its grown userbase, and a staff team that users perceive as hostile.

i 100000% agree with you. i just genuinely don't see the point of keeping CS as kid-friendly as it is. i completely understand there shouldn't be anything inherently inappropriate on the site or linked through it, and things like that, to monitor the kids which play the game, but i'd like to point out it is also the parent's responsibility to monitor what their child is doing on the internet. the majority of the CS player base are adults now and i feel like that should be acknowledged and that the rules should be revamped to account for this. i understand there are still some children playing the game, but there are so few that i feel the rules should be changed around to better fit the userbase as it is now. 10+ years ago, i'm sure the majority of the site were minors and coppa users, considering the fact a lot of the people who still play are those same children who played when they were 12, 13, etc. in response to my post mentioning how off-site links should not be monitored as strictly as they are, i gave an example of an adult having their age linked a few links away from cs on their twitter or something like that, and a mod responded stating that because an adult might have their age linked a few links away from cs, that would let a child who stumbled upon it to believe it is ok to do that. which, to some extent i understand, but realistically, how many children are going to be sifting through links in people's signatures and finding ages and deciding it's ok to do that? plus, wouldn't mods snipe the age out of the child's account, if they put it anywhere on their CS?
i'd also like to mention that none of this is a rant, or vent, and i apologize if it seems like that to mods. i'm just stating my thoughts on this topic specifically, as it's something that genuinely doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. i just personally don't understand why some of these rules are as strict as they are. it's the parent's job to monitor a child's internet access, as well. maybe there could be parental restrictions put into place? like a specific account settings page only accessible by a parent with a specific pin or something along those lines, that they could set specific restrictions for, including not being able to click on off-site links, not being able to edit certain things, send messages, view forums, etc.


This is always in the back of my mind when I think of why so many people are unhappy with the staff and current site status. This is so well said~
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby macintalk » Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:26 pm

JayBae333 wrote:It costs absolutely nothing to be a bit more gentle when someone breaks the rules & it costs nothing to give verbal warnings rather than suddenly giving someone a strike or whatever - I understand that they've likely seen some of the stuff that breaks the rules many times before but that's no excuse to be rude.

this is something i do not understand at all. judging from mod's replies on this thread during the discussion about warnings/strikes, it seems as if verbal warnings and strikes have no difference. so why do we have these two systems in place, if they mean the exact same thing? if board warnings do not matter, what is the purpose of strikes? it seems the only difference between verbal warnings and strikes is visual in that one puts a number on your account, but what decides who gets a warning and who gets a strike? if there's no difference between them, what's the point of having both as an option? /gen

Lacuna wrote:I want to reiterate what I said: whether you're receiving a message reminder or a board warning, it's just a PM to your account.

Lacuna wrote:Users generally treat any message from mods about rules as a "punishment" whether it is a board warning or just a message. They don't look that different, and the number of "board warnings" on your account doesn't actually matter much, it's just a mechanic of a forum site. We do have quite a few rules, but we do also expect people to read and follow them. Anyone who is browsing this thread who hasn't looked over them in a while can find them here: Forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4410814
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby Deidara Senpai » Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:28 pm

Like many other people have already mentioned on this discussion, I almost never interact with anything on these forums but I feel like it's so nice seeing other people voicing issues i have been thinking of since I came back this year makes me feel less like I'm just super out of the loop lol.

I've been here since early 2012 and I think the vibe of the site has really changed, I find that it used to be so much easier to trade pet for pet, different rarities for bulk or even for c$. Now everytime i see someone selling wl pets (that I have literally been hunting since 2012 and have not managed to get any of lol) it is always for Flight rising gems. Which feels really (unfair?) annoying to me since it's not like people selling for artwork but clearly just showing everyone is moving to another site and would rather currency on that. Like am i meant to make a FR account and buy currency just to buy things here?? it's become almost every selling page or folder i see these days!!!
I come back to this site as a busy adult and check in once in a while and I do buy c$ a lot for store pets etc and also to buy wishlist pets i missed from back in the day, but even c$ doesnt seem to be working as a currency on this site now which is just really frustrating :/
Maybe I am just really late to the FR thing because I took such a long leave of absence and everyone else is chill with this, but It does make me feel like a lot of my WL stuff is just straight up unattainable without access to FR stuff to trade for it haha
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby Audrey_Bee » Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:28 pm

SabrinaB wrote:The oekaki example you mention is just a statement. Its nothing like "how dare you do this? It is for drawing, not writing! Get out of here!"
They have to step in often, they cant sugarcoat everything. Its a simple statement, nothing more :)



I have also had many issues with staff seeming hostile. They aren't means, but blunt and passive aggressive in their warnings.
I personally believe it's a copy and paste warning they use rather than typing it from scratch as they're usually the same so I don't personally blame them but it's always upsetting to see it and gives me the same feeling I get when someone should at me irl. I hate it, I hate doing things wrong and most of the time it's an accident.

For example, you put your age in a forum (I personally mentioned a rough age in the words of "I'm in my hundreds" but my actual age, just using hundreds as an example of how I worded It so it doesn't get deleted lol) I thought the rule was you don't say specific age so thought it was okay. It was deleted which is absolutely fair enough but because its an accident, first time doing it, just a message saying " just so you're aware, you're not allowed to mention anything about age, you're only allowed to say that you're an adult etc, this is just to let you know, if you do happen to do it continuously you could be banned, thank you for considering this message and have a lovely day!"

It's basically the same words as saying " you did this. Do not do it again or you will be banned." But nicer.

If people have continuously broke the same rule on purpose then you have to be stern but 9 tomes out of 10 it's an accident and the majority of people react better to kindness than sterness !!



Saying that, the latest warning I had was when I was defending the staff over the security system and my warning was worded nicer than usual and had a smiley face. Just that alone made me not feel like I was being attacked and informed me of a rule I broke <3
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby nicole » Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:31 pm

lack of updates, same format since 2008, everything is just repetitive and there’s nothing exciting so yeah it’s why ppl quit bc this site is dying bc it’s still stuck in 2010s. it’s why ppl quit to fr and stuff bc we actually get huge updates and there’s a lot more to do than just collect pets
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby Malleus » Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:34 pm

I 100% agree to the fact that staff can come off as hostile. There are some staff members who in the past, I've had an amazing experience with ( still crying over the time Vampiric commissioned me ) ! And there are some staff members who I have had an awful experience with. It depends on the staff member. It may even depend on the day.

But staff do tend to come off as blunt and unfriendly. While this may not bother everyone, clearly it affects many users and I don't think their experiences should be erased just because 'oh it doesn't effect ME personally'. Honestly I know I myself can come off as blunt and unfriendly, so when I am messaging people I try to use things like ;w; and other little tone indicators to try and be approachable. And even more so, if someone tells me I came off as aggressive I apologize! And I have not known staff on this website to have a good track record of apologizing for much at all.

Like, there's professionalism and then there's coldness. The amount of people, myself included, on this website that are neurodivergent don't help the way staff is perceived I'm sure. But as someone pointed out, applying to staff was always a choice people made, and if moderating a silly little pet website becomes too stressful due to real life obligations, like they don't need to be staff...? I dunno, man.
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby Pixje » Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:35 pm

Can we all just speak for ourselves? I enjoy the old skool site and html stuff. And no I'm not moving to a different site, I think the events give plenty of cool upgrades and I love pet collecting.

And the reason for the inflation of chicken dollars is our own fault because some members sell their pets for FR currency which they consider more valuable so you'll have to pay more chickendollars for.. it's annoying but we can't blame anyone other than ourselves for doing that lol. Not the staff's fault
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby parx » Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:39 pm

Deidara Senpai wrote:Like many other people have already mentioned on this discussion, I almost never interact with anything on these forums but I feel like it's so nice seeing other people voicing issues i have been thinking of since I came back this year makes me feel less like I'm just super out of the loop lol.

I've been here since early 2012 and I think the vibe of the site has really changed, I find that it used to be so much easier to trade pet for pet, different rarities for bulk or even for c$. Now everytime i see someone selling wl pets (that I have literally been hunting since 2012 and have not managed to get any of lol) it is always for Flight rising gems. Which feels really (unfair?) annoying to me since it's not like people selling for artwork but clearly just showing everyone is moving to another site and would rather currency on that. Like am i meant to make a FR account and buy currency just to buy things here?? it's become almost every selling page or folder i see these days!!!
I come back to this site as a busy adult and check in once in a while and I do buy c$ a lot for store pets etc and also to buy wishlist pets i missed from back in the day, but even c$ doesnt seem to be working as a currency on this site now which is just really frustrating :/
Maybe I am just really late to the FR thing because I took such a long leave of absence and everyone else is chill with this, but It does make me feel like a lot of my WL stuff is just straight up unattainable without access to FR stuff to trade for it haha

i agree about the fr thing! obviously we or the staff can't police what ppl sell their pets and items for, as offsite trading is allowed by both sites, but i think the sheer number of ppl looking for fr gems in exchange for cs pets and items really shows how much this site is dropping in userbase like u said. personally i've tried to get into fr multiple times but just wasn't interested in it and it feels like i'm missing what a lot of ppl on this site seem to be looking for, which is crazy considering it's not even something attainable thru cs itself! again, no one can police what ppl want in exchange for their pets when it's not breaking any rules, but it seems a lot more ppl than before r turning to offsite trading and not having interest in regular trades or even c$. i think that in itself is more than enough proof that ppl r leaving cs for more updated sites with more to offer as far as play content.
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby JayBae333 » Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:40 pm

aelius wrote:
JayBae333 wrote:It costs absolutely nothing to be a bit more gentle when someone breaks the rules & it costs nothing to give verbal warnings rather than suddenly giving someone a strike or whatever - I understand that they've likely seen some of the stuff that breaks the rules many times before but that's no excuse to be rude.

this is something i do not understand at all. judging from mod's replies on this thread during the discussion about warnings/strikes, it seems as if verbal warnings and strikes have no difference. so why do we have these two systems in place, if they mean the exact same thing? if board warnings do not matter, what is the purpose of strikes? it seems the only difference between verbal warnings and strikes is visual in that one puts a number on your account, but what decides who gets a warning and who gets a strike? if there's no difference between them, what's the point of having both as an option? /gen

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Okay yeah that makes no sense at all. Does a certain number of strikes get your account muted or something for a few days? Like what's the consequence of strikes other than the number added to profile? Is it three strikes and you're out? & as you said
aelius wrote:But what decides who gets a warning and who gets a strike?

Wish that this was made a lot clearer for users/more transparency is definitely needed
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