WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

[SilentSnake]

I really hope this thread doesn't get locked. The feedback on here could exponentially help if the admins/coders take a look and see what could happen.

So in all fairness to CS, most trading based games have experienced something like this. Looking at you Animal Jam. So I think if it was more than a trade based game and they had some minigames that would change out esch month, it would really help the traffic flow of people online.

A fun thing could be monthly scavenger hunts, a few users gets a starting clue to search around the site. They find another clue and post it, and so on until the mystery is solved. A reward at the end could happen but the interaction between users could be the reward in itself.

[Artemystery]

I just wanna say I agree on this especially with the camping event! Newer pets look so clean and nice. The pets from the camping event have been amazing on top of already astounding. Every day I look forward to seeing what is out next because the quality of these pets and how they look seem like so much detail and attention and love was given to them (THIS ME SAYING PROMOTE/TIP ALL THE ARTISTS WHO HELPED WITH THE EVENT THEY EARNED ALL OF MY RESPECT). This isn't me saying older pets didn't have this, but the unique line design and quality has gone up A LOT. I understand if someone wants to pay 100,000 newer pets for an '09 pet, but I also get someone who isn't about that and would rather just keep those 100,000 pets to keep up to date as time continues.

yep yep, its seems that the people who grew up on this site/appriciate the pets side of it, have been joining the team more and more. each event the outdo themselves,
which makes me sad that their work is less valued than older pets, a rare should be a rare to matter the year, their work shouldn't be viewed or valued as lesser

Hello! The reason why older pets are valued more isn't because people think the designs are superior to the newer ones, but because of how long they have been in circulation it makes it more difficult to find people who have doubles for trade, since there have been years of trading in between for that pet. Not to mention a lot of older accounts are inactive and the pets stagnant on those accounts. It's significantly more common to see
user who joined in 2020 than 2008. It is more of a scarcity breeds demand issue than one of artistic taste, although there are some older users (like me) who are nostalgic for the old lines and designs. I understand why this can be frustrating for new users. It felt impossible to get 2008 pets when I first joined and it still kind of feels that way now. But the point of the game isn't "winning" by collecting every pet on the site. It's just to idle and have fun :^)

thats the issue which earlier responses suggested to fix by rereleasing older pets, or making DEC 18th have more pets/ higher rarity pets.
i understand supply and demand, but it can be discouraging to artists whose art is valued less than older art.
do you think if they had the option, they would ask that fewer people receive the art they made to make the pets rarer? that would be weird if they did, not very fair for the player base, but thats what happened with older pets throughout the years. imo people should be able to get their dream pets without trading away a leg and liver, and without spending 12 hours trading.

[milkbun]

What is MA ?

[melti]

reading through this thread & feeling myself and other be so passionate about this site is both insanely uplifting and frustrating. frustrating because there's a 90% chance nothing will come out of the love and care we have for this site - and uplifting because i'm so glad other people don't just see this site as a "children's website" full of useless "pixels".

ya know?

i really truly hope from the bottom of my heart more change is implemented. and idc how corny this all sounds at the end of the day i love cs /:

i wholeheartedly agree. i love the concept of this website and the majority of the community is so kind, i just feel like if they dont change something, this site will die off in upcoming years.

cs is truly a place of comfort for me to come to when i need it, seeing it die off would make me upset.

[Kazehita]

I don't really have a lot to say, but while the trading system is most certainly an issue for many reasons that have already been presented, I don't think there is any viable "fix" for the legacy trading issue. There's new problems for every solution, leaving us with a situation that is terribly difficult to handle.
What I find logical is to create something new for players to care about..? What this may be, I do not know - I'm really not an Ideas guy - but I think instead of trying to fix and fix and fix, maybe we can think outside the box?

However, any amount of new things comes at a cost; while CS makes money through Ad revenue and C$ sales, it is still resting on the backs of volunteers as is.

I am interested to see what other players have to say about things such as sustainability because for the past few pages we've just been airing out grievances over trading problems XD

[LiaTsu]

I personally think Horror's list was a mistake and part of the reason why trading has gotten so difficult. Those new made up values make it so hard to trade for anything old. Oh and a certain player i won't name hoarding the valuable items and inflating their prices to make them unnatainable

The List is a hydra. Cut one head off, and more grow in its place. There was another List before Horror's that was criticized for all the same things. I think it was forcibly taken down my the staff because it was so harmful. You can still sometimes see people refer to "the old list" in their trade rules. Horror's list, I believe, was created to help new users know the demand of their pets, particularly December 18th re-releases, so they wouldn't get screwed over by unscrupulous users. But it had the same effect as the old list, in which it's opinions are treated like the Bible, and it does make it extremely difficult for users, especially newbies, to trade successfully.

And if we were to get rid of Horror's list, undoubtedly in a few years someone else will make a new one and the whole thing will happen again, for a third time

I actually kinda like having a list of what stuff is worth. It really helped me when I first joined because it meant I wasn't sending bad trades and actually knew what things were worth. I got blocked a lot when I first started trading and Horror's list really helped me figure out what to offer and stuff like that. Also, that list has saved me from getting scammed like 5 times now lol. I do agree with you though that the list shouldn't be treated as if it were gospel.

Just popping cuz I think I've been misunderstood. I'm not against having a list. I quite liked the old list. The old list could've had updated values yes, I understand the concern, I just really don't like horror's list, I think it could've been made way better, not that I have the time to do it myself anyway unfortunately

[onion]

man this thread is moving fast. im mainly commenting not because i have something to say but as a "i agree with a lot of this" kinda thing since im having trouble keeping up haha

[Loelya]

also i feel like there should be a bit more ninja and scam moderation..?
i have no hard proof this was a scam, but once i was contacted for a commission of someone offering one of my dreamies, the s'more
i said i would be willing to do a half to fullbody for it since its just one pet, omgsr dreamie or not
to which they replied cancelling saying that someone else had offered them multiple pieces for it
and i just dont know, i feel like most artists wouldnt undercut themselves like that, that's hardly a payment for likely days of work
it feels like they were trying to bait me into undercutting myself further

I'm not discounting your experience at all because that sounds awful and I'm sorry you got undermined like that. but it is true that people do often offer multiple pieces of art in exchange for very high-value pets, and it's actually a bit better now than it used to be. ^^' I never saw this happen in person, but I used to hear about this phenomena where people would offer to be an "art slave" for x amount of time in exchange for extremely high-value pets. sounded like a nightmare.

[Queen KITTY]

the way the mods are just watching this go down .>.

[Goldstarwolf]

The list trading is such a mess like, I don't get the values at all and even for an older player like me.. like it gets confusing sometimes...

I like to take breaks from this site but I always enjoy coming back to do art.

The only thing that I liked that they changed is the art area like, there use to be beginers, something in between and than Intermediate and it was just of separting, just didnt feel good for the art community on here just felt very not togetherish if that make sense I really like how they did humans, anthros and so on just feels better in my opinion like we're actully a community of artist despite skill levels because everyone's different.