WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

[Lex.]

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. I joined in 2014 but only played incredibly casually for a few months before quitting for years. I just picked it up again last year and have honestly been very overwhelmed since although I have enjoyed my time for the most part. As many people have mentioned, I cannot, for the life of me, figure out trading values. Nor do I have to patience (or mental capasity) to really try to figure it out. So this is certainly a huge issue that admins just don't seem to address at all. Every suggestion really does get shut down, with little to no thought. "Staff have stated there will be no rerelease of store pets." "Staff have stated there will be no rerelease of older pets beyond Dec 18th." Why though? I know reasons have been given, but all the reasons I have ever seen really only work for when the site was in its first few years of running. Now that older pets and store pets have such absolute INSANE value, I'm sorry but, those reasons just don't sound good anymore. SOMETHING needs to be done, and if admins keep shutting people down, refusing to change any aspect of the site even a little, and ignore the issues that are right in front of them, the site will shut down. It's not a matter of if, but when. I hate to be a downer, but I'm afraid that's just how it is. I really hope that doesn't happen, but I fear that is where it is headed. I could go on and on about suggestions, things that need to be done, and all that, but I'll end my rant here for now.
I will end this by giving some things that I like about the site:
The artists create some awesome looking pets!
Many people are so kind in the community and I've recieved many random gifts from people.
A lot of the staff are also very friendly and fun.
I like the aspect of being able to trade using other websites. A lot of websites I feel do not allow this and I'm so glad ChickenSmoothie does.

This!
I feel like the main root of SO many issues that people have with CS in general links back to the inactivity/unavailability of Tess and Nick. Even though they've said there wont be another re-release, why is that?
Is there a genuine reason?
Well, we might never know because they're just never around, unless some trade reversals are happening anyway.
If there aren't enough pets in circulation either because of hoarding or inactive dead accounts, then something needs to be done to make sure that the trading scene doesn't stagnate any more than it has.

[Ziggy Stardust]

adding onto what foxcloud19 said, the rarities of pets and the value differences is so bonkers and like even players that have been on here for YEARS can’t figure it out sometimes unless you devote like a wild amount of
time into this site which not everyone has time for,, this makes the sit incredibly unapproachable to newer players and the staff seem to not be doing much about it ,,..

We also need like buttons cause I want to like this 100 times!

There is a way to see the rarity breakdown, although I'm not sure how to find it at the moment. The ratios are something like 5 uncommons to a rare, 25 rares to a very rare, so on and so forth. That's how those pets are distributed, more or less. However, the demand of pets is determined by CS users. The staff cannot help what users personally find more valuable and how they trade.
If I can find out how, I'll quote this and add this info on.

[ShadowKatto]

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. I joined in 2014 but only played incredibly casually for a few months before quitting for years. I just picked it up again last year and have honestly been very overwhelmed since although I have enjoyed my time for the most part. As many people have mentioned, I cannot, for the life of me, figure out trading values. Nor do I have to patience (or mental capasity) to really try to figure it out. So this is certainly a huge issue that admins just don't seem to address at all. Every suggestion really does get shut down, with little to no thought. "Staff have stated there will be no rerelease of store pets." "Staff have stated there will be no rerelease of older pets beyond Dec 18th." Why though? I know reasons have been given, but all the reasons I have ever seen really only work for when the site was in its first few years of running. Now that older pets and store pets have such absolute INSANE value, I'm sorry but, those reasons just don't sound good anymore. SOMETHING needs to be done, and if admins keep shutting people down, refusing to change any aspect of the site even a little, and ignore the issues that are right in front of them, the site will shut down. It's not a matter of if, but when. I hate to be a downer, but I'm afraid that's just how it is. I really hope that doesn't happen, but I fear that is where it is headed. I could go on and on about suggestions, things that need to be done, and all that, but I'll end my rant here for now.
I will end this by giving some things that I like about the site:
The artists create some awesome looking pets!
Many people are so kind in the community and I've recieved many random gifts from people.
A lot of the staff are also very friendly and fun.
I like the aspect of being able to trade using other websites. A lot of websites I feel do not allow this and I'm so glad ChickenSmoothie does.

There were store pet releases during the first few years of the Dec. 18th tradition, but they stopped. Store pets are considered to be bonus pets outside of the normal collection, which is why I think they aren't gonna re-release them.

[jutdwae]

adding onto what foxcloud19 said, the rarities of pets and the value differences is so bonkers and like even players that have been on here for YEARS can’t figure it out sometimes unless you devote like a wild amount of
time into this site which not everyone has time for,, this makes the sit incredibly unapproachable to newer players and the staff seem to not be doing much about it ,,..

We also need like buttons cause I want to like this 100 times!

There is a way to see the rarity breakdown, although I'm not sure how to find it at the moment. The ratios are something like 5 uncommons to a rare, 25 rares to a very rare, so on and so forth. That's how those pets are distributed, more or less. However, the demand of pets is determined by CS users. The staff cannot help what users personally find more valuable and how they trade.
If I can find out how, I'll quote this and add this info on.

while i do agree, should there not be some sort of central log (such as the list) to keep track of it? if one is to own a pet website with rarities of pets decided by the users, there should be something that makes it much more understandable to new players

additionally, rarities themself don’t matter in so many situations (like how a sunjewel is one of the most sought after and best pets on the site while say the ur s’more couldn’t even compare to that value) and the fact that the list is discontinued just adds to the confusion

[Ziggy Stardust]

^ the original list may have been discontinued, but Horror's list is still up which is supposed to act as a guide to new users

[foxcloud19]

adding onto what foxcloud19 said, the rarities of pets and the value differences is so bonkers and like even players that have been on here for YEARS can’t figure it out sometimes unless you devote like a wild amount of
time into this site which not everyone has time for,, this makes the sit incredibly unapproachable to newer players and the staff seem to not be doing much about it ,,..

We also need like buttons cause I want to like this 100 times!

There is a way to see the rarity breakdown, although I'm not sure how to find it at the moment. The ratios are something like 5 uncommons to a rare, 25 rares to a very rare, so on and so forth. That's how those pets are distributed, more or less. However, the demand of pets is determined by CS users. The staff cannot help what users personally find more valuable and how they trade.
If I can find out how, I'll quote this and add this info on.

And while this is good to have, the fact that users are even able to do this type of thing is a problem in and of itself. Personally, I think pets should have an official set value that should act as a guide for people, especially new users. We sort of have that now, but once again, it is so confusing and hard to understand and even when you can decipher it, the value is so insane you may as well just give up hope of ever getting certain pets. I think we need a better currency system for one thing, that can value pets in an easy, and understandable way. But unfortunately, we just don't have that. Of course, everyone is going to add their own personal values to things and that's ok. But if someone seems to be way overvaluing a pet, people that are trading with them should have a guide that tells them if the person is doing that so they can have a better idea what to do.

[spookysponge]

We also need like buttons cause I want to like this 100 times![/quote]

There is a way to see the rarity breakdown, although I'm not sure how to find it at the moment. The ratios are something like 5 uncommons to a rare, 25 rares to a very rare, so on and so forth. That's how those pets are distributed, more or less. However, the demand of pets is determined by CS users. The staff cannot help what users personally find more valuable and how they trade.
If I can find out how, I'll quote this and add this info on. [/quote]

while i do agree, should there not be some sort of central log (such as the list) to keep track of it? if one is to own a pet website with rarities of pets decided by the users, there should be something that makes it much more understandable to new players

additionally, rarities themself don’t matter in so many situations (like how a sunjewel is one of the most sought after and best pets on the site while say the ur s’more couldn’t even compare to that value) and the fact that the list is discontinued just adds to the confusion[/quote]



-if i’m not wrong, we did have a list for quite some time. but players demands changed so much over time as well as the fluctuating amount of players along with complications, so it was scrapped. i’m not 1000% it was official or not, but i know a lot of people used it.

along with the december 18th discussion, i agree that maybe we should have more than one a year? so that players have access to one if they can’t make the other or even just to help newer players start up the rares they have. but i don’t think we should bring back old store pets. a lot of players like myself worked hard and took a lot of time and determination into finding and obtaining the pets we love, so i feel like the possibility of other people simply gaining them from the event would be a little disheartening. maybe we could do site wide raffles that older players like myself or people who don’t find themselves playing much anymore could donate to, so that these pets could be given out? i’m not sure just thinking:^)

[Animall]

I don't know why we are so hung up on rereleasing old pets more, when the staff could easily add more VR/omgsr pets to monthly adopts...

I mentioned it earlier and I'll mention the idea again: the hype around the may/June lionesses were huge. The August pps was huge. The rainbowmane was huge when it came out too. Zebras are released at random when you adopt horses. The same used to happen when you adopted malk pets back in the day -- a random chance to adopt a dragon.

These VR/omgsr releases drop major value into the community at random, giving a chance for newer members to get valuable pets. It forces old users to circulate their older pets for the cool new monthly releases too.

We don't need to uproot the cs economy by rereleasing old pets more, or releasing old store pets again. We need CS to give value to accounts without us having to pay for it. The only pets that are released with value today are store pets. I don't think enough people are angry about that. I am. I don't think newer users should have to drop money to play this game. I never had to and I don't think that's fair.

[ShadowKatto]

I don't know why we are so hung up on rereleasing old pets more, when the staff could easily add more VR/omgsr pets to monthly adopts...

EXACTLY.

[cats135]

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. I joined in 2014 but only played incredibly casually for a few months before quitting for years. I just picked it up again last year and have honestly been very overwhelmed since although I have enjoyed my time for the most part. As many people have mentioned, I cannot, for the life of me, figure out trading values. Nor do I have to patience (or mental capasity) to really try to figure it out. So this is certainly a huge issue that admins just don't seem to address at all. Every suggestion really does get shut down, with little to no thought. "Staff have stated there will be no rerelease of store pets." "Staff have stated there will be no rerelease of older pets beyond Dec 18th." Why though? I know reasons have been given, but all the reasons I have ever seen really only work for when the site was in its first few years of running. Now that older pets and store pets have such absolute INSANE value, I'm sorry but, those reasons just don't sound good anymore. SOMETHING needs to be done, and if admins keep shutting people down, refusing to change any aspect of the site even a little, and ignore the issues that are right in front of them, the site will shut down. It's not a matter of if, but when. I hate to be a downer, but I'm afraid that's just how it is. I really hope that doesn't happen, but I fear that is where it is headed. I could go on and on about suggestions, things that need to be done, and all that, but I'll end my rant here for now.
I will end this by giving some things that I like about the site:
The artists create some awesome looking pets!
Many people are so kind in the community and I've recieved many random gifts from people.
A lot of the staff are also very friendly and fun.
I like the aspect of being able to trade using other websites. A lot of websites I feel do not allow this and I'm so glad ChickenSmoothie does.

This!
I feel like the main root of SO many issues that people have with CS in general links back to the inactivity/unavailability of Tess and Nick. Even though they've said there wont be another re-release, why is that?
Is there a genuine reason?
Well, we might never know because they're just never around, unless some trade reversals are happening anyway.
If there aren't enough pets in circulation either because of hoarding or inactive dead accounts, then something needs to be done to make sure that the trading scene doesn't stagnate any more than it has.

To me, think about it like this:
"Hello I'm a new user!"
"Hello new user! This is a pet collecting site! Go collect them!"
"Oh boy, I want that one-"
"Sorry that one is so rare you'll never get it. Don't even try."
"Oh...how bout thAt one-"
"Too rare. Costs over $300 USD."
"But I can't do that..."
"There are other pets! Collect the rest!"
"But I don't have any rare pets to trade for old rares..."
"You have December 18th!"
"But that's only 3 pets...and one day a year..."
"Have fun!"

Like...for us older players we know how it works, but hOw will any new player get footing at all unless they're gifted pets? And where's the fun in that if thats your only source of pet income? How is anyone expected to get anything of worth with only one day a *year*, and nothing else but pound chaos and lucky gifts?

(And this thread has already covered the issues with the pound and why it needs revamped as well)

Edit:

I don't know why we are so hung up on rereleasing old pets more, when the staff could easily add more VR/omgsr pets to monthly adopts...

EXACTLY.

THIS^