Covergirl tests on animals?

[van]

@Chibi -
Well, looking at some other things that PETA has said/done, this whole animal testing thing seems either pretty over-exaggerated, or simply a lie.
[The ways that they advertise are absolutely disgusting, they are completely hypocritical, and do more harm than good. Not to mention all the other things they/their supporters do that are extremely unnecessary and completely absurd.
Some examples ; 
link, link, link, link, link.]
So it's just common sense to believe that PETA has over-exaggerated this whole thing, assuming PETA was the source of all these so called 'facts' about who tests on animals and who doesn't, though I'm just assuming because they are a popular source for these kinds of things, so correct me if I'm wrong. 

And I posted an example of the staged cruelty thing earlier. 

I know people who get payed to test out some medicines and cosmetics, so that's how I know that it is indeed tested on humans sometimes.

And again, it's just the fact that the majority  of cosmetics/candy/etc. companies don't test on animals because all the ingredients are already proven to be safe. Common sense. I know some companies may sill test on animals, but not that many. 

If I didn't answer something you'd like me to, I'd be happy to answer anything else. ^^

[~*Chibi*~]

GUARDIANS WHO GAVE PETA THEIR PETS THOUGHT THEY WOULD GET ADOPTED
A former PETA employee told a reporter: "a teary-eyed man showed up at PETA headquarters one day with his beloved pet rabbit. The man had grown old and sick and was no longer able to care properly for his friend. He supplied a cage, bed, toys, and even vet records for this pet. He was assured by PETA workers that they would take "good care" of his rabbit and find him a home. The man left distraught but no doubt believing that his friend would be able to live out the rest of his life in a loving, compassionate home...PETA workers carried him to the 'death house' immediately and ended his life!"  The employee said there are many similar examples. 1

Former director of Norfolk's SPCA, Dana Cheek, wrote "I often receive phone calls from frantic people who have surrendered their pets to PETA with the understanding that PETA will "find them a good home...Little do they know that the pets are killed in the PETA van before they even pull away from the pet owner's home."


These two paragraph are just sad. I never supported PETA anyways.

PETA stands for :

People
Exterminating
Thousands of
Animals

[Jazi]

WELL I SAY

WE TAKE ALL DA PRISONERS

AND TEST ON THEM, INSTEAD! 8D

Kill the murderers, not the bunnies/rats/mice! 8D

Yeah? Do you have any family or friends who are in jail? Even for a short time? Speaking as someone who has a close family member whose in jail for life, THEY'RE STILL PEOPLE. Yes, I still love that family member but no, I can't forgive them for what they did and no I am not currently talking to them. I HATE it when people say this or that should happen to convicts or they get this or that. You don't know how painful it is to FAMILY members, not just to the convicts themselves.

And just so I'm on topic, I agree with MEDICAL TESTING on rats and fruit flies for the reasons Cardinal said.

Plus, many people in jail are exposed to drugs, risky behaviors, and malnutrition due to the majority of people in jail being those who come out of poverty and poor living conditions. Hardly a good test example at the height of health, especially if they could have been exposed to all kinds of viruses, bacteria, and medications.

[Onew~]

I'm not talking about people in jail. Jail and prison are two very different things. There's a difference between people on death row for killing women and children than people who kept getting speeding tickets or something.

[Saracirce]

I meant prison. I was just angry so wasn't thinking about my words. I'm still angry. My family member that's in prison, he's in there for something most people say he should die for or say he's a totally evil, heartless monster. He got 30 years (meaning his only chance at parole is after 30 years) to life. And he's, so far, only served 11 years.

[Jazi]

I'm not talking about people in jail. Jail and prison are two very different things. There's a difference between people on death row for killing women and children than people who kept getting speeding tickets or something.

Again. Many people who are "doing time" for a crime they have committed, whether it's only a couple days or several decades, are exposed to illnesses, drugs, and malnutrition. They are not good test subjects compared to the "clean" sample of a lab rat.

[Onew~]

True, I guess. It wasn't an actual suggestion though, hence the poorly drawn popular internet image included.

[Ruruskadoo]

Personally, I am in favor of animal testing so long as it is done in the most ethical manner possible. I think the animals should be made to suffer as little as absolutely possible and that whenever an experiment is proposed, just as experiments with humans, it should be reviewed by an ethical review board. Of course, that being said, I don't disagree with animals being used for experiments that would not be ethical on humans, such as testing of medications to ensure their safety and that they indeed do what they claim or other such things. I also don't object to animals being killed and dissected at the end of an experiment. I eat meat. If I were to object to an animal being killed to get valuable information about the effects on its body, I would be a hypocrite since I'm fine with an animal being killed to end up on my dinner plate.

As far as human testing goes, all experiments conducted on humans require informed consent. If you're forcing prisoners to undergo medical experiments, that violates that rule. In addition, human testing would definitely qualify as cruel and unusual punishment. Just because they have been convicted of committing a crime does not make them any less human. Also, as others have already pointed out, humans in prisons would not be good medical test subjects because they have not been raised in isolation from the outside world, so they could have many environmental factors that would interfere with the results, as well as varied genetic factors. Humans would make very poor replacements for animals in testing and aside from being cruel it would be impractical.

[Sadies]

Van - It's an article written and it says in there that Mars admitted to testing, thy wouldn't make it up.

I have to admit the animal rescue side of PETA is horrible, in the UK they don't do that, they don't even run shelters and they are a lot less absolutists.

I agree with testing on people in prison, the people who did really really bad things. Also yes they are not "clean" but there are a few plus in reality are people actually perfect? the majority of people are on medication anyway. As for human rights, what about the rights of those victims? The bad people don't exactly get in trouble, most prisoners (well i know in the UK) get it better than people on the outside (i watched a documentary and they had like tv's and stuff)

[Jazi]

I agree with testing on people in prison, the people who did really really bad things. Also yes they are not "clean" but there are a few plus in reality are people actually perfect? the majority of people are on medication anyway.

>I have not been exposed to illegal drugs. The closest was my 5 days on a narcotic after wisdom teeth removal.

>I have not been exposed to forgien disease or STDs. The closest was the flu a few years ago.

>I am under nurished, but not to the point where many people who have grown up in poverty are.

How is a prisoner, who is likely going to ping at LEAST one of those (especially the disease, with the prevalance of prisoner-on-prisoner violence), a comparable sample? They have no idea when the person last took the drugs, or if they have an illness, or is previous malnurishment will affect test results. There are many medical remedies that would prove lethal if you take it for the wrong thing or if it combines funny with another medication. How many people with depression, anxiety, or epilepsy medications have been told NOT to take common over-the-counter drugs for just that reason? I know I was told NOT to have ANYTHING with caffine in it, even before we found out I was allergic, because it would interact badly with my seizure and ADD/HD meds. Many people who are taking pills for depression are given a list of what over-the-counter painkillers they are and are not allowed to take, because otherwise it would kill them? Many people on perscription medicine are told exactly how much and what time to take their meds, because if there's overlap or too much in their system they'd die. Do you realize how skewed the test results would be if prisoners who were taking these drugs (common in prisons, they sneak 'em in) dropped over dead because it formed a lethal combination with what was already in their system, even if it was perfectly safe for 99% of the population?