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Postby shay ; » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:42 pm

        hey guys, a little help here cx
        how long do you make an average chapter?
        i'm writing my novel and the first chapter has a 1000 words, ends with a good cliffhanger and all. that doesn't really bother me that much. but my second chapter has 600 words. it ends well, but it just feels short. it is short. i was thinking of doing multiple chapters by the same pov character in a row, but idk... any thoughts? i was thinking of sticking in some more dialog and walking lol because my character is currently walking home where the action goes down. what do you think?
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Re: { INKLINGS } A Thread For Writers

Postby TheSongOfTheStars » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:02 am

It really depends. You really should end the chapter where it feels right. And you can always go back and add or subract more
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Re: { INKLINGS } A Thread For Writers

Postby Silverhart » Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:26 am

I agree with TheSongofTheStars. Chapters can be however short or long you need them to be. I've read books with chapters that went on forever, and others where the chapter was less then a page long. I've read books with chapters all of similar lengths, and those who's chapter length was all over the place. It all just depends on what needs to happen in that chapter.

I would suggest not padding out or slowing down scenes. If a scene is boring or unnecessary it shouldn't be in your story in the first place. If it's meant to be a quick scene let it be quick and move on to more important action. It shouldn't overstay it's welcome.
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Re: { INKLINGS } A Thread For Writers

Postby rothbart. » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:55 am

hey darlings! as we all probably know, nano is looming closer and closer. thing is, my story is barely a plot bunny.

would anybody else with a less than developed plot or two like to pm me so we can jabber about ideas and help each other out? I have the premise and half my cast sorted out, but where I have a surplus of details, I have no solid storyline. any and all help will be vastly appreciated!
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Re: { INKLINGS } A Thread For Writers

Postby LYKOICXDED » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:59 am

Hey guys, got a little question for y'all.

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[b]Do you ever get a good idea to use to write, but you aren't sure how to put the idea into words, then into a storyline? How do you eventually decipher your thoughts and get them down so others can understand you?[/b]
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Re: { INKLINGS } A Thread For Writers

Postby Murdoc Niccals » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:07 am

Do you ever get a good idea to use to write, but you aren't sure how to put the idea into words, then into a storyline? How do you eventually decipher your thoughts and get them down so others can understand you?
OH BOY Headworld is full of this!

Instead of concentrating on big players, most of the time I have intro stories focus on those who would be the type to ask questions about things they won't understand. This kinda lets you work facts into stories, maybe foreshadow, and avoid the textdump of information that would otherwise be necessary. Or, if I find myself writing two Main Player chars, I end up explaining things partly and them having scenarios where the finer details can show through.
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Re: { INKLINGS } A Thread For Writers

Postby TheSongOfTheStars » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:20 am

Do you ever get a good idea to use to write, but you aren't sure how to put the idea into words, then into a storyline? How do you eventually decipher your thoughts and get them down so others can understand you?
When I get a good idea for a story i feel out the characters and focuse on back stories. Then I search for a plot
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Re: { INKLINGS } A Thread For Writers

Postby Silverhart » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:16 pm

Do you ever get a good idea to use to write, but you aren't sure how to put the idea into words, then into a storyline? How do you eventually decipher your thoughts and get them down so others can understand you?

Do you mean how to take a random idea and turn it into a plot? Like say I was brainstorming and came up with something like "dinosaurs in the American Revolutionary War". That's not a story or a plot of course, it's just an idea (a good idea too... someone should write that). Then I'll take that idea and start figuring out many of the questions it brings up (Why are there dinosaurs in Revolutionary age America? What are they doing there? How does this effect the setting? Do they eat people, or help them? Do they talk? Dance? Can I put an adorable little tricorn hat on one? etc.)

Maybe one of those questions sparks another idea. What if there was a traveling troupe of dancing dinosaurs who wore cute little tricorn hats, and frilly shirts, and they escape and begin to wreck havoc? Now I have a problem. A little more brainstorming and maybe I decide to have John Hancock come riding in on his horse to save the day. So I have a character now. How to solve the problem? Let's have him round up the dinosaurs with the rest of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, and then they all decide to ride the dinosaurs into dance-battle against the British. The British lose the dance-battle against the dinosaurs, because the stomping of the dinosaurs causes the house to literally fall down, and the day is saved. And that's how the American Revolution was won - at least in this alternate universe.

Now I have a plot. It has a beginning, a middle, a climax, and a conclusion. It has a setting, a problem, a solution, and characters - pretty much everything a story needs. And that only took me like 10 minutes to go from my first idea to a little story. Just brainstorm different ideas, when one of those ideas sparks your interest, think about that idea, and so on and so forth.

After that, you may have a few specific scenes or images in mind - perhaps a Triceratops in a pair of spectacles barreling through a market stand, as Mr. Hancock and the gang try to lasso it and herd it into Old Man McDonald's farmhouse before the British cavalry see it. Write them down, and keep thinking up new ones. Don't be afraid to go in a tweak your initial plot idea. Maybe we'll decide the dinosaurs got here in a time machine, and the time machine's owner is the one who enlists the help of the founding fathers. I think we'll name her Janet, and give her an adorable archaeopteryx sidekick who can mimic like a parrot. Or let's say we don't like the ending - instead of the dance-battle, we'll just have the dinosaurs chase the British out of Philadelphia.

And on, and on. You get the idea. XP What I'm saying is, just sit and think. Ask yourself questions. What's a problem this character might face? What's the reason behind this happening? Why does the world have this, or lacks this? What if the setting was this? What if I included this? What if I changed the genre? What if I focus on this character instead of that one? Eventually you should have enough ideas that you'll come up with a problem the characters can face, and then you try and come up with a solution. ^^ From there, you just continue to add and tweak - your final product may even be completely different from how you first envision it. Case in point, I once tried writing a dark historical romance, and over the years my view on it changed and it became a light-hearted comedy. XD The idea was the same, but I completely changed the plot. So figure out what you feel like writing - something silly, serious, adventurous, romantic, philosophical - and think of your idea in that light. I could just as easily take "dinosaurs in American Revolution" and make it into an action adventure piece about American and British dinosaurs in combat. Or maybe a love story about two nesting Troodons separated by the conflict.

Lastly, as these ideas start tumbling in, think about what you want to say with your story. Does it exist purely to entertain, is there a lesson you want to teach, or an opinion you want to express? What's the theme?

These are the questions I ask myself, and the way I think through plotting. Hopefully they help you!
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Re: { INKLINGS } A Thread For Writers

Postby ʞ ɔ ǝ ɹ ʍ d ı ʞ s » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:21 pm

    Oh man help! Lol
    I was thinking about science-like things and I got an IMAGE of something Id like to write but I cant complete the idea!
    It was basically a guy walking down a rainy street in a pea coat
    But the world wasnt reality it was a world where magical things were possible
    Perhaps he was a detective trying to prove it or some kind of warlock?
    I know its vague but Id really like to build on it
    Maybe I should also mention that I liked the idea of writing a series where the main character in the first book turns out to be the villain and the hero is a secondary character until the sequel
    Any random ideas come to mind?
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Re: { INKLINGS } A Thread For Writers

Postby *~.Imagination.~* » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:00 pm

Silverhart wrote:
Wow, that's a very powerful piece. And very well written. I can tell that you're passionate, and made a good persuasive argument. I especially liked the way you connected with the audience in the first paragraph with a more casual tone. Can I make two suggestions?

Firstly this: "I will be forever alone. Err, strike that last one." While it's a cute little quip it's sort of out of tone with the narrative around it. It's a little dark humor that doesn't seem to fit in with the seriousness of the rest of the piece.

And secondly, I think your conclusion should tie in with your starting argument/phrase “Boys will be trash.” Just to tie it all together. ^^ It'll bring it back around, which is always good when writing things like this.

Okay, last suggestion - I guess it was three, not two XP - but in my personal opinion I feel you should bring up more of the man's side of subject. How the phrase is damaging to not just women, but men as well. You touch on this, but I feel it should have a full paragraph devoted to it. This is my personal opinion however. It depends on how you want the piece to come across.

Thanky ou so much ^-^ Yeah, I'm working on editing it now. I am definitely trying to get more of the man's side laced throughout the piece, but I'm already over time limit and have to cut, so I unfurtunately cannot devote a whole new paragraph xc i am working on cutting out less neccesary lines in order to incorperate more of that in there, though.
Also about the forever alone bit, I've been hearing such mixed opinions, i dont even know anymore xc my speech coach thought it was super funny, but one of the speech officers said it was too self deprecative for the more offensive position i was taking, and since there are such mixed reviews ill definitely have to edit or remove it in some way
^-^ seriously thank you so much for your feedback though
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