{ ＩＮＫＬＩＮＧＳ } A Thread For Writers

[111misc]

Oh man...I like your version of my scene way better. Isn't that rather pathetic? xD Well, you're right, the dialog makes the history easier to see.
I was aiming for a few different symbols just then.
1. The change between past and present in general, youth slipping away. the poem by Wordsworth, about a rainbow, called "My Heart Leaps Up When I Behold" talks of innocence, and love of nature. Going off of that, I thought it would mean something for this girl to change her opinions about life and what she loves just for her hatred of someone and something.
2. The constantness of nature. rainbows were there as a child, and they are there now. It is not the world that changes, or nature, but us, that change. And when we change, we see things differently, and in effect, that makes us believe they change. It's about how quickly we stop caring, and about how nothing but ourselves are manipulated.
3. The main one, forgiveness. Noah and the Ark, when G-d sent down a rainbow, he made it a sign to say he forgave the world and would never try to wipe them out again. So, the rainbow is a symbol for forgiveneness and friendship. As G refuses the rainbow, she refuses to forgive O, and unlike G-d, makes no promises.

There are others, probably hundreds since everyone thinks symbols are different--that's why they're symbols. I suggest reading "How to Read Literature Like a Professor," honestly, it gave me great insight into this type of thing, and taught me how to write a heck of a lot better. I suggest every aspiring writer reads it, actually. It's very good.
If you do ever get around to reading the classics, which you totally should, since they're the best, I think do one Austin book, to get it out of the way, both Orwell books, either Dracula or Jeckle and Hyde, Peter Pan, absolutely, at least five Grimm tales, The Belljar, Dickens. Anything Dickens (except Little Dorrit, which was his first book and kind of bad), no Twain, and if you're a horror person try King. If not, and if you ever find yourself with a free year or two to pitter away, read Victor Hugo. I think, my goal this year, is to read The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and I probably won't even finish in that time.

[eden .]

now, see, the problem with really, really symbolic meanings is the problem that some people won't get them. personally, I'm Christian, so while I did get the forgiveness thing with the rainbow, that was not my first thought. then there are others that are not Jewish or Christian nor knowledgeable in other religions/have religions at all that probably won't understand that reference ... and all of a sudden that meaning is only select to a few people out of the millions out there. and that's your main one! so it becomes somewhat problematic. the story of Noah and the Ark is somewhat famous in popular culture, but if someone is atheist for example, were raised atheist, then they wouldn't know what that is ... because they never bothered to learn! and why would they, if no one in their family is religious at all?

I think I did get the theme that G did change over the years and that she's no longer willing to let in the childish part of her because O was in it. However, it's not like she can banish rainbows from existence, since they are constant, so instead she banishes her love of rainbows as compensation.

and I guess that also goes hand in hand with meaning no. 1. honestly, I did get those things. I just didn't know if that would count as a 'theme' or not xD

I always hated English class when they picked apart a book's themes and symbolism, though. it made it feel like a textbook instead of a real story. :I

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[111misc]

That's a good point. However, it is a serious well known story. I know a good amount of atheist and agnostic folk, and most of the time they end up knowing the Bible and the old stories better than some Judea-Christians, because they want to make sure they don't believe it. Even if people didn't understand the reference, because they couldn't, I think (and I don't know about this) the concept of rainbow equals forgiveness is pretty common, anyway.
Yea...I don't know. Some of those were a bit far fetched, I think. It might have been easier to understand if I'd written it out, or something. And really? I swear, that's my favorite part of the class! I love getting into all the deepest meanings of it; I feel like an explorer, or adventurer. Not to mention it makes me feel extraordinarily sophisticated when later in life I can off hand tell people all these symbols that popped up in Macbeth because my teacher taught them to me. Of course, they don't know that....

now, see, the problem with really, really symbolic meanings is the problem that some people won't get them. personally, I'm Christian, so while I did get the forgiveness thing with the rainbow, that was not my first thought. then there are others that are not Jewish or Christian nor knowledgeable in other religions/have religions at all that probably won't understand that reference ... and all of a sudden that meaning is only select to a few people out of the millions out there. and that's your main one! so it becomes somewhat problematic. the story of Noah and the Ark is somewhat famous in popular culture, but if someone is atheist for example, were raised atheist, then they wouldn't know what that is ... because they never bothered to learn! and why would they, if no one in their family is religious at all?

I think I did get the theme that G did change over the years and that she's no longer willing to let in the childish part of her because O was in it. However, it's not like she can banish rainbows from existence, since they are constant, so instead she banishes her love of rainbows as compensation.

and I guess that also goes hand in hand with meaning no. 1. honestly, I did get those things. I just didn't know if that would count as a 'theme' or not xD

I always hated English class when they picked apart a book's themes and symbolism, though. it made it feel like a textbook instead of a real story. :I

[eden .]

Oh man...I like your version of my scene way better. Isn't that rather pathetic? xD Well, you're right, the dialog makes the history easier to see.

>this completely went over my head

OMG why thank you! you flatter me. I was just trying to help. I'm sure your version is fine. after all, you only wrote a few lines. I don't think that's a very good reflection of talent. XD

continuing on ...

well, whatever you think works. I'm not going to get into a debate because then I'd have to drag my atheist friend over, and I don't think they'd appreciate that. :I
anyways, I don't like it because I feel like I'm dissecting a frog instead of really getting to know the story. I'm one of those people that doesn't get many symbolism the first time around, but after reading through, after really getting to know the story from back to front, I find myself enjoying it more. I don't enjoy it when, in my first run through it, I have to analyze it at the same time.
but clearly we're two different people. so. xD

[Cherry]

Yes, I don't really get symbolism, I'm just a read it, done, think how good it is 3 days later, move to a new book type of person.
Man, I feel like I'm a newbie to writing [which I really only got into it in January, and my story only a few people would understand, one of them being my friend who loves writing, but never wants to read mine. Plus I don't really want her to.

[EndlessFallingSnow]

What is the gender of the main character?

[Sorrow Stranger]

I am seriously having trouble with deciding on a name for a main character. for the life of me, I can't find any unique, but not really ''strange'' sounding names. It's hard to explain e.e. Like something that someone isn't usually named, but at the same time it's a commonly heard word.

I,personally, tend to use one of these three sites.
Behind the Name. You can choose different languages and such.
Seventh Sanctum. a bunch of random generators xD
Just Mommies though primarily for expecting mothers,this place has names from like every different language.

[111misc]

I've always found that older names, things people still know but no one is named anymore, are really great for characters. Ulrich, Georg, Guinevere, Desiree, things like that...it's just a personal preference.

I am seriously having trouble with deciding on a name for a main character. for the life of me, I can't find any unique, but not really ''strange'' sounding names. It's hard to explain e.e. Like something that someone isn't usually named, but at the same time it's a commonly heard word.