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Re: CS Debate Thread

Postby Exia » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:25 pm

Berje Robel wrote:
Exia wrote:I never really cared for the whole gun rule thing; but if it was brought on by the school-killing with guns, let me just say that I believe it would actually be a good idea to have school administrators carry guns, or at least taze guns or some sort of protection, because school-house killings only started when teachers stopped carrying shotguns in the 1900s.

    Though if they did start carrying them in schools for self defense purposes only, they could still be used for hurting the student s or teachers.
    Here's a scenario;

    Let's say that one of the teachers that was carrying one had a very short temper . . . So imagine that a student acts out irrationally at one of the teachers with multiple accounts of yelling, hitting, ect. Even though with punishment the student still continues to act out. When and if the teachers looses his or her temper, they may hurt the student with the hand weapon. Then in the end result, the teacher would go to jail with his/her reputation ruined. And the student way not even live to witness that day.

    Just my opinion on the mater.


Well yeah, there's always going to be something like that, but that's even more reason for us to start interviewing teachers the same way we do in the military to see if they're not going to start friendly-firing and stuff, but it's always going to happen anyways; and if the teacher had a short temper and they became close to killing a student with a weapon, what's to say they won't do the same without a weapon? I thought about that too.
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Re: CS Debate Thread

Postby Caesar » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:19 pm

If a teacher really freaked out with no gun, they could do minimal damage before security is on them. If they have a gun and extra ammo, they could kill their whole class in one minute.
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Re: CS Debate Thread

Postby Exia » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:44 am

If they had anger problems so serious that it caused them to murder an entire class of students, then I would question the district employers.
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Re: CS Debate Thread

Postby SauteedSquidBrains » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:56 am

A shot gun or pistol won't do much good against most school attackers anyway, who often use automatic weapons or similar.
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Re: CS Debate Thread

Postby The Great ME! » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:57 pm

Exia wrote:If they had anger problems so serious that it caused them to murder an entire class of students, then I would question the district employers.

If you ever met the teachers and district employers that I've met and talked to, you would indeed question them a lot, and never even consider giving them the decision-making rights on who should or shouldn't own a gun or even be teaching in the school districts.

I've been psychologically abused with threats of being struck and physically struck by a teacher in 3rd grade, ELEMENTARY school, via a yardstick(to "get my attention", he said), in an area that was supposed to be very rich and "safe", the six-figure income neighborhood, and had the school deny and cover up that it ever happened, and the teacher continued to work there for years. He also destroyed my personal, private property(not confiscated and gave back later, DESTROYED and THREW AWAY in front of me and the entire class). He also publicly humiliated me in front of the class all the time, meanwhile "complimenting" the other students, especially female ones(and by "complimenting" I mean making constant pedophilic comments and statements about the young female students).

The school I was going to more recently(which is just the opposite, ghetto and poor as all Hell) has had to fire and send out letters three times for inappropriate teacher-student relationships, one of which, if I recall correctly, was non-consensual and became a court case, if you catch my drift. The more recent school also denied classes to some students on no grounds of delinquency or anything, just because "they didn't have enough room"(to students who were ALREADY attending and in their senior or junior years, mind you, all of them too poor to sue the school, I've noticed...), and even kicked some of us out on those grounds. They've also denied evaluation and accomodation to disabled students, which is illegal, because they "don't want to do the paperwork". And this goes all the way up to district level, not just the one school.

I've personally had teachers send me out like a delinquent because I argued with them about things that were a direct risk to my health, because the teachers were control freaks. One teacher, I had to fight with about sitting next to a window because other students were wearing perfumes that made it physically impossible for me to breath otherwise because I was allergic to it, and she sent me out of the class for "misconduct" and "unjustly defying a teacher", because apparently we're only allowed to rebel against a teacher if they tell us to do something that will harm us, and apparently "not being able to breathe" is not a harm and optional because one controlling teacher says so, of which the principal took the teacher's side because they were "buddy-buddy" with each other and refused to listen to me over a matter that could KILL me.
Next thing you know it'll be "perfectly acceptable" for teachers to instill "obedience" and control of students at gunpoint. I wouldn't put it past the system at this point.

So personally, no, I don't trust the school systems to make the proper decisions where that's concerned. Some of them can't even handle the basics of assigning classes or see what's a risk or harm and what's not, I KNOW they wouldn't be able to properly handle screening teachers for who should or shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun, when there's teachers and school systems like that. Maybe you have a school that's different, but give them an inch and they'll take a mile. You start doing things like that for one school, and eventually that "protection" will end up in another school like the ones I've been i nthat become more of a risk than protection.

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Re: CS Debate Thread

Postby kida. » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:27 pm

    im not sure if my argument belongs here but here goes nothing.
    Has any one is Australia seen those government ads on television about why not to vote for abbot. Well every time is see one I'm entirely disgusted and can't help but say this, but it's like classic school yard bullies. They are using the method of putting someone down just to bring themselves up. Another point is, they are wasting out money to advertise these kind of disgusting behaviour of ads on tv. What are they proving to us! They are just being time & money wasting bullies! That is all, so glad I expressed that.
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Re: CS Debate Thread

Postby dinkleberg » Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:54 am

if some teacher whipped out a gun, a kid would run away as the teacher would have to load it and cock it and such.
    why the hell would i still be on here

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Re: CS Debate Thread

Postby The Great ME! » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:36 pm

The Proud Lion wrote:if some teacher whipped out a gun, a kid would run away as the teacher would have to load it and cock it and such.

That's assuming they don't already have it loaded, and cocking a gun takes, like, one second?
And even if it's not loaded, they would have the clip in the same place which takes another...oh...three seconds? Four seconds is long enough to shoot someone before they run away.
I mean, you can't outrun a bullet, that's just not realistic.
I mean these aren't exactly 18th century muskets that fire one round and take two minutes to reload, and stuff in powder with a long stick and a musket shell and then steady it and...
Seriously, it takes all of five seconds to prep and fire a basic hand-held firearm, and the teacher has just as many legs to go running after the person they're shooting at(or at least I would assume as such).

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Re: CS Debate Thread

Postby vanilla kitten » Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:32 pm

what are your opinions on the 'feminist movement' for equal rights for women?

personally, i think that feminists have the right idea, but are going way the wrong way with it. simply because there are so many feminists who want to be with men as equals who also expect them to pay for the first date, open her door, and go out of his way to be nice to her.. which, if you want to be truly equal, you have to give up some things to get what you want.

that's just my opinion on it. how about you guys?
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Re: CS Debate Thread

Postby *~.Imagination.~* » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:45 am

shortiee wrote:what are your opinions on the 'feminist movement' for equal rights for women?

personally, i think that feminists have the right idea, but are going way the wrong way with it. simply because there are so many feminists who want to be with men as equals who also expect them to pay for the first date, open her door, and go out of his way to be nice to her.. which, if you want to be truly equal, you have to give up some things to get what you want.

that's just my opinion on it. how about you guys?

Well I don't know about you, but I don't know a lot of girls (feminist or not) who get mad at guys for not doing those things.
Actually, scratch that. I do know girls who'd be upset with guys for not doing that. But not because
"I'm a girl and you're a guy so you're supposed to!"

Gender aside, it's just polite. It's what is expected in a kind society. It's generally viewed as rather rude not to.
In fact, as a girl, I do a lot of those things. Opening doors for people? Always. And being nice to people? (Even to the point were you are going out of your way for them.) Of course.
It's just polite. It has nothing to do with gender.
I've also always been the one to pay for my own dates. (though, admittedly, they've been few.)
I see what you're saying, but I feel like it might be your own views of how gender roles should work that is messing with how you see feminism. This is just a guess really, but I've known many guys who say stuff like,
"Yeah, feminists say they want "equality". They also say, "You can't hit me! I'm a girl!" "

When in actuality, its really,
"I want equality. You can't hit me because I'm a human being, and I don't want to be hit."

(Because that's called assault, and is illegal.)

Now I'm sure there are woman who claim to be feminists that still have skewed opinions about gender roles. People like that are in every group.
But the fact is that feminism is just equality. And I don't usually like to associate with people who don't believe in equality.
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