Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

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What do you think came first the chicken or the egg?

Poll ended at Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:18 am

The chicken
83
36%
The egg
108
47%
Both
10
4%
Neither
28
12%
 
Total votes : 229

Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby Grimace » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:20 pm

SAAP volenteer lover wrote:
....So you're saying god made the animal that we have clear records showing they were made by humans a few thousand years ago?
Are you going to also argue god made Tamaskan dogs which were just made like 20 years ago, or all the other dog breeds that came into existence like 30 years ago?
Because its the exact same process.


Hello you are obviously not a christian or may not be a beliver in god also known as an athieast god did make chickens it is in the bible. The animals were made first the first chickens were able to fly and we made meat chickens out of them so they could not fly it was already large boned and crossing it with larger boned chickens made its meat less tough if that is what you mean but chickens have been around the third day god made the world. We have no records of us creating chickens but we do have records of god creating chickens and the dogs were called mutts untill someone wanted to organize them in groups so they were not mixed up all the time.

I believe that chickens, like all other living things, descended from bacteria that formed from various elements in the Earth's early days. As time goes on many new forms of life begin to evolve from the initial bacterium population our Earth had amassed. After millions of years early forms of birds began to lay eggs. After each generation of eggs, the hatchlings became more chicken-like. One day, a true chicken hatched from an egg, so therefore the egg came first.


I'm going to tell you the same thing I told grimace you are probley a scientist though and a non christian so just read what I posted above your quote.



........what did I just read?
Allow me to point out why essentially everything you said is incorrect.
1.) "The animals were made first the first chickens were able to fly and we made meat chickens out of them so they could not fly it was already large boned and crossing it with larger boned chickens made its meat less tough"
Thats not how the domestication of chickens worked at all.

2.) "We have no records of us creating chickens but we do have records of god creating chickens"
Yes, we do actually have records of us creating chickens.
There is exactly zero proof god made chickens. The proof for god making chickens is something written in an old book someone wrote. Its literally exactly as credible as greek mythology or any of the old crazy religions no one follows anymore. Blindly following something because a story says it is true =/= clear records.

3.) "dogs were called mutts untill someone wanted to organize them in groups so they were not mixed up all the time."
This is exactly the opposite of how it works. Mutts came after breeds. You can't have a mutt if it isnt a mixture of breeds. ..Are you actually arguing that domestic dogs didn't come from wolves?

4.) "Most scientists are non beleivers of god only 20 out of 100 scientists belive in god" At least in the case of evolution, thats because they're educated enough. You can believe in god and evolution, thats fine. Its sort of like how no one actually believes the ark thing happened, because it is physically impossible. More religious groups are finally starting to recognize evolution, and creationism will slowly go the way of people thinking the earth is flat, or thinking that hell is literally underground

Its just sort of mind boggling to me anyone can think evolution isn't real. You can literally WATCH bacteria evolve in front of you. If evolution didn't exist, we wouldn't have any domestic animals, no one would be able to make new dog breeds, or breed for any specific traits, and there would be no disease.
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby Onew~ » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:46 pm

SAAP volenteer lover wrote:
Um, no. You don't have to be a scientist(which is a job/career) to believe or know that a theory exists.

And there are many Christians who believe in evolution. I personally have mixed opinions on evolution and creationism

Most scientists are non beleivers of god only 20 out of 100 scientists belive in god


Yes, but that doesn't mean people who don't believe in God and believe in a different theory are automatically scientists.

There is also a difference between believing that a species can evolve(evolution is real, everything evolves, from dog breeds to fashion trends), and believing that everything was created via bacterial evolution.
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby Grimace » Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:08 pm

Onew~ wrote:
SAAP volenteer lover wrote:
Um, no. You don't have to be a scientist(which is a job/career) to believe or know that a theory exists.

And there are many Christians who believe in evolution. I personally have mixed opinions on evolution and creationism

Most scientists are non beleivers of god only 20 out of 100 scientists belive in god


Yes, but that doesn't mean people who don't believe in God and believe in a different theory are automatically scientists.

There is also a difference between believing that a species can evolve(evolution is real, everything evolves, from dog breeds to fashion trends), and believing that everything was created via bacterial evolution.


This.
I have no issues with people who say a god or whatever might have started the first spark of life or whatever.
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby Thomas Hickey » Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:17 pm

SAAP volenteer lover wrote:
....So you're saying god made the animal that we have clear records showing they were made by humans a few thousand years ago?
Are you going to also argue god made Tamaskan dogs which were just made like 20 years ago, or all the other dog breeds that came into existence like 30 years ago?
Because its the exact same process.


Hello you are obviously not a christian or may not be a beliver in god also known as an athieast god did make chickens it is in the bible. The animals were made first the first chickens were able to fly and we made meat chickens out of them so they could not fly it was already large boned and crossing it with larger boned chickens made its meat less tough if that is what you mean but chickens have been around the third day god made the world. We have no records of us creating chickens but we do have records of god creating chickens and the dogs were called mutts untill someone wanted to organize them in groups so they were not mixed up all the time.

I believe that chickens, like all other living things, descended from bacteria that formed from various elements in the Earth's early days. As time goes on many new forms of life begin to evolve from the initial bacterium population our Earth had amassed. After millions of years early forms of birds began to lay eggs. After each generation of eggs, the hatchlings became more chicken-like. One day, a true chicken hatched from an egg, so therefore the egg came first.


I'm going to tell you the same thing I told grimace you are probably a scientist though and a non christian so just read what I posted above your quote.

FYI I am christian and I believe in Both and how does BECAUSE BELIEVING IN THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION = SCIENTIST. I am christian and I believe in Both that in no way makes me a Scientist.
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby gerbilfunable » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:37 pm

i think the chicken came first because the little baby chicken would not be able to survive without its mother.
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby Draikinator » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:04 pm

To throw my two cents back in on the topic, there's no evidence of the christian god. The Bible is not evidence of god anymore than a book of greek mythology is proof of zeus. There's not PROOF. Nothing tangible. There is, however, tangible proof of evolution.

That is all, however, irrelevant. I was under the impression this thread was about which came first, the chicken, or the egg, not the existence of a god.
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby Jimmy Neutron » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:51 am

Draikinator wrote:To throw my two cents back in on the topic, there's no evidence of the christian god. The Bible is not evidence of god anymore than a book of greek mythology is proof of zeus. There's not PROOF. Nothing tangible. There is, however, tangible proof of evolution.

That is all, however, irrelevant. I was under the impression this thread was about which came first, the chicken, or the egg, not the existence of a god.

Well it's your opionion you get to share it, so yes under the rules you can discuss others opinion.
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby SAAP volenteer lover » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:52 am

I really should not have joined this disscution all this is really disscusiing is right now is gods real or not. we know there is god and people went to heven thats all (people have been in hevan and back) sorry to burst your bubble beliving in a true thing. END OF DISSCUTION
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby brandish » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:35 pm

Grimace wrote:
SAAP volenteer lover wrote:
....So you're saying god made the animal that we have clear records showing they were made by humans a few thousand years ago?
Are you going to also argue god made Tamaskan dogs which were just made like 20 years ago, or all the other dog breeds that came into existence like 30 years ago?
Because its the exact same process.


Hello you are obviously not a christian or may not be a beliver in god also known as an athieast god did make chickens it is in the bible. The animals were made first the first chickens were able to fly and we made meat chickens out of them so they could not fly it was already large boned and crossing it with larger boned chickens made its meat less tough if that is what you mean but chickens have been around the third day god made the world. We have no records of us creating chickens but we do have records of god creating chickens and the dogs were called mutts untill someone wanted to organize them in groups so they were not mixed up all the time.

I believe that chickens, like all other living things, descended from bacteria that formed from various elements in the Earth's early days. As time goes on many new forms of life begin to evolve from the initial bacterium population our Earth had amassed. After millions of years early forms of birds began to lay eggs. After each generation of eggs, the hatchlings became more chicken-like. One day, a true chicken hatched from an egg, so therefore the egg came first.


I'm going to tell you the same thing I told grimace you are probley a scientist though and a non christian so just read what I posted above your quote.



........what did I just read?
Allow me to point out why essentially everything you said is incorrect.
1.) "The animals were made first the first chickens were able to fly and we made meat chickens out of them so they could not fly it was already large boned and crossing it with larger boned chickens made its meat less tough"
Thats not how the domestication of chickens worked at all.

2.) "We have no records of us creating chickens but we do have records of god creating chickens"
Yes, we do actually have records of us creating chickens.
There is exactly zero proof god made chickens. The proof for god making chickens is something written in an old book someone wrote. Its literally exactly as credible as greek mythology or any of the old crazy religions no one follows anymore. Blindly following something because a story says it is true =/= clear records.

3.) "dogs were called mutts untill someone wanted to organize them in groups so they were not mixed up all the time."
This is exactly the opposite of how it works. Mutts came after breeds. You can't have a mutt if it isnt a mixture of breeds. ..Are you actually arguing that domestic dogs didn't come from wolves?

4.) "Most scientists are non beleivers of god only 20 out of 100 scientists belive in god" At least in the case of evolution, thats because they're educated enough. You can believe in god and evolution, thats fine. Its sort of like how no one actually believes the ark thing happened, because it is physically impossible. More religious groups are finally starting to recognize evolution, and creationism will slowly go the way of people thinking the earth is flat, or thinking that hell is literally underground

Its just sort of mind boggling to me anyone can think evolution isn't real. You can literally WATCH bacteria evolve in front of you. If evolution didn't exist, we wouldn't have any domestic animals, no one would be able to make new dog breeds, or breed for any specific traits, and there would be no disease.


I feel like your totally bashing my christianity here :I

2.) "We have no records of us creating chickens but we do have records of god creating chickens"
Yes, we do actually have records of us creating chickens.
There is exactly zero proof god made chickens. The proof for god making chickens is something written in an old book someone wrote. Its literally exactly as credible as greek mythology or any of the old crazy religions no one follows anymore. Blindly following something because a story says it is true =/= clear records.
-That my friend...is called belief.

"Its sort of like how no one actually believes the ark thing happened, because it is physically impossible."
-Lots of people believe it happened. I am one of them. Thanks.

"Its just sort of mind boggling to me anyone can think evolution isn't real. You can literally WATCH bacteria evolve in front of you. If evolution didn't exist, we wouldn't have any domestic animals, no one would be able to make new dog breeds, or breed for any specific traits, and there would be no disease."
-I believe in evolution and I want to be a scientist; A zoologist to be exact. However I also believe in God. I know that alot of animals came from evolutionized bacteria. But...how did the bacteria get there? Just poof? Do you believe that we decended from monkeys? That is just...ridiculous.

Anyways, I think the Chicken came first because like people said above God had to make the mature animals first and then birth a long legacy of Chickens.

gerbilfunable wrote:i think the chicken came first because the little baby chicken would not be able to survive without its mother.

-Also this person makes so much sense in one simple little statement. She is right a little baby chick would just die without the adult chickens.
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby Jimmy Neutron » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:41 pm

gerbilfunable wrote:i think the chicken came first because the little baby chicken would not be able to survive without its mother.

-Also this person makes so much sense in one simple little statement. She is right a little baby chick would just die without the adult chickens.

Simple but powerful indeed, it had to have some sort of guardian in such a big world.
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