❧ Rєι's Genetics Discussion and Calculation Thread ☙

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Re: ❧ Rєι's Genetics Discussion and Calculation Thread ☙

Postby ~HєуRєι~ » Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:02 pm

Spiritstar3 wrote:I have a question/request!

These two aren’t mates but honestly…I may make them mates.
So…what could they produce (Vega is male, Sava might be intersex but is most likely male. They go by agender pronouns though)

Forum/viewtopic.php?t=4902651

Forum/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=4902656

Vega is the dog.

Below will be two images of Sava, the one I think I made their reddish brown/brownish areas too dark…so you can just refer to the first picture. They ARE a Doberman Husky and probably German Shepherd since they have large ears and Doberman ears don’t naturally stand up like that. Could have Great Dane or something else too.

Forum/viewtopic.php?t=4966946

Forum/viewtopic.php?t=4968398

Really nothing too crazy going on with either, outside of Sava having Black based eye color instead of liver based. When it comes to mixed breeds there's not as much I can go off of when it comes to recessives, and a lot of the results rely on what they visually look like. As they both have white, we will assume the blue eyes are coming from having white spotting rather than an outside gene. Like usual with having one solid black parent, we are going to assume they're Kbky so not all the puppies are solid black, and the default for most dogs is sable otherwise. Default color is tan, so we will assume vega has tan in their hidden traits.
RESULTS wrote:Vega: Black with Pseudo Irish White
AyAy / BB / cnvcnv / +ct+ct / pp / Kbky / SSp
Sava: Liver Tanpoint on Red with Pseudo Irish White
atat / bb / Cnvcnv / Ct+ct / pp / kyky / SSp

Puppy Results: All puppies are Black carrying Liver!
25% of puppies show little to no white at all, 50% show the same range as the parents, and 25% have slightly more white than the parents!
25% of puppies are Dominant Black, 75% of puppies can show agouti, all of which are Sable carrying Tanpoint!
25% of puppies are Red based, 75% of puppies are Tan based.
25% of puppies have a lightly curled tail, 75% of puppies have completely straight tails.


Spiritstar3 wrote:I have a question/request!

What could Nash (the dog in the very back, red with one perk ear and one drop ear. I actually made them look like a fox in pattern so that may not be a realistic color…) and Yurei (silver/blue and white Border collie or Sheltie mix) produce?

Forum/viewtopic.php?t=4921704

they’re in a world with non human characters so idk if you’d want to do this one since…idk. I wasn’t going to send ones that aren’t realistic. Though the dogs themselves aren’t the unrealistic thing, the humanoids that own them are.

Something very important to note is that dogs cannot be born with one completely erect ear and another completely floppy ear! This phenomenon only occurs when they are actually genetically cocked and are just being posed or moved in an odd way, the dog somehow is a chimera with one perked ear and one drop ear, or the dog has had an infection or injury that causes the ear to become floppy.

As for the colors, the closest I could get to with getting Nash's visuals is Masked Black Sable on Red with Pseudo Irish White, with the mask being on the more minimal side of the range which can happen. Not the most outlandish thing of course but won't be 100% that fox look you're going for.

Unfortunately there isn't a 1 to 1 comparison for the other's color. Blue (commonly referred to as grey) does not get to be that pale outside of select breeds, and Silver isn't a technical color in dogs at all. The closest that I could get to that color is either Isabella on the paler range, or Cream on the paler range but both are on the much warmer side of tint in comparison. On top of that, cream would have a hard time showing the white.

Spiritstar3 wrote:I have a question/request!

Let’s slide a cat one in here.
What would Astral (silver or blue and minimal white) and Starlet (white with red tabby) produce?

Forum/viewtopic.php?t=4906189

Sad to say that unfortunately there isn't a one to one comparison for Astral either here. Solid cats can't get to be that pale of a color, even with silvering as solid cats can only appear a smokes. Even with possible double dilution, blue or taupe cats don't get nearly as pale as that. The closest you'll likely get is cream, but that still requires visible Tabby and is the dilute to orange which doesn't leave much to work with, I'm afraid.

Spiritstar3 wrote:I have a question/request!

And another cat one.
What would Lio (cream and seal or chocolate point. Please tell me if he should actually be white based) and Rai (pure white) produce?

Forum/viewtopic.php?t=4906189


Lio would be Seal/Black Color point! The color of the cat is determined by the darkest color on them.

Unfortunately, with cats it's not quite as simple to determine coats when one parent is completely white as there's a few variables needed. One major question being, what is that cats coat under that white? Then there's the question of if they're Dominant White (no white spotting, just a cover of white that forced them to have pink skin always and may most often come with heterochromia) or just High White Spotting (which doesn't come with heterochromia as often, and allows for other colors in the skin). So without that kind of information, I won't really be able to determine the litter unfortunately.

Cat genetics are generally more complex compared to dogs in my experience, leaving a lot more difficulties finding one to one replicants when there's only so much for them to mess with, on top of selective breeding allowing for coats that we don't even know the genetic makeup of.

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Re: ❧ Rєι's Genetics Discussion and Calculation Thread ☙

Postby Spiritstar3 » Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:32 pm

~HєуRєι~ wrote:
Spiritstar3 wrote:I have a question/request!

These two aren’t mates but honestly…I may make them mates.
So…what could they produce (Vega is male, Sava might be intersex but is most likely male. They go by agender pronouns though)

Forum/viewtopic.php?t=4902651

Forum/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=4902656

Vega is the dog.

Below will be two images of Sava, the one I think I made their reddish brown/brownish areas too dark…so you can just refer to the first picture. They ARE a Doberman Husky and probably German Shepherd since they have large ears and Doberman ears don’t naturally stand up like that. Could have Great Dane or something else too.

Forum/viewtopic.php?t=4966946

Forum/viewtopic.php?t=4968398

Really nothing too crazy going on with either, outside of Sava having Black based eye color instead of liver based. When it comes to mixed breeds there's not as much I can go off of when it comes to recessives, and a lot of the results rely on what they visually look like. As they both have white, we will assume the blue eyes are coming from having white spotting rather than an outside gene. Like usual with having one solid black parent, we are going to assume they're Kbky so not all the puppies are solid black, and the default for most dogs is sable otherwise. Default color is tan, so we will assume vega has tan in their hidden traits.
RESULTS wrote:Vega: Black with Pseudo Irish White
AyAy / BB / cnvcnv / +ct+ct / pp / Kbky / SSp
Sava: Liver Tanpoint on Red with Pseudo Irish White
atat / bb / Cnvcnv / Ct+ct / pp / kyky / SSp

Puppy Results: All puppies are Black carrying Liver!
25% of puppies show little to no white at all, 50% show the same range as the parents, and 25% have slightly more white than the parents!
25% of puppies are Dominant Black, 75% of puppies can show agouti, all of which are Sable carrying Tanpoint!
25% of puppies are Red based, 75% of puppies are Tan based.
25% of puppies have a lightly curled tail, 75% of puppies have completely straight tails.


That’s on me. I just gave them brown and blue heterochromia because I love heterochromia, and to me brown and blue is easiest to do. I didn’t know anything about specific eye colors for specific bases/coat colors.

Kay Kay.

:thumbup:

Love these results. So…if they’re carrying liver, would that mean when they’re old enough to have pups of their own, they could produce liver pups? Like, if the other parent (any future mate of these pups once they reach adulthood) were liver?

Spiritstar3 wrote:I have a question/request!

What could Nash (the dog in the very back, red with one perk ear and one drop ear. I actually made them look like a fox in pattern so that may not be a realistic color…) and Yurei (silver/blue and white Border collie or Sheltie mix) produce?

Forum/viewtopic.php?t=4921704

they’re in a world with non human characters so idk if you’d want to do this one since…idk. I wasn’t going to send ones that aren’t realistic. Though the dogs themselves aren’t the unrealistic thing, the humanoids that own them are.


Something very important to note is that dogs cannot be born with one completely erect ear and another completely floppy ear! This phenomenon only occurs when they are actually genetically cocked and are just being posed or moved in an odd way, the dog somehow is a chimera with one perked ear and one drop ear, or the dog has had an infection or injury that causes the ear to become floppy.

As for the colors, the closest I could get to with getting Nash's visuals is Masked Black Sable on Red with Pseudo Irish White, with the mask being on the more minimal side of the range which can happen. Not the most outlandish thing of course but won't be 100% that fox look you're going for.

Unfortunately there isn't a 1 to 1 comparison for the other's color. Blue (commonly referred to as grey) does not get to be that pale outside of select breeds, and Silver isn't a technical color in dogs at all. The closest that I could get to that color is either Isabella on the paler range, or Cream on the paler range but both are on the much warmer side of tint in comparison. On top of that, cream would have a hard time showing the white.[/url]

Oh. Kay Kay.
Wait, can chimeric dogs get two different ear types?

XD it’s fine.

Hmm…what color does Isabella come from?

Spiritstar3 wrote:I have a question/request!

Let’s slide a cat one in here.
What would Astral (silver or blue and minimal white) and Starlet (white with red tabby) produce?

Forum/viewtopic.php?t=4906189

Sad to say that unfortunately there isn't a one to one comparison for Astral either here. Solid cats can't get to be that pale of a color, even with silvering as solid cats can only appear a smokes. Even with possible double dilution, blue or taupe cats don't get nearly as pale as that. The closest you'll likely get is cream, but that still requires visible Tabby and is the dilute to orange which doesn't leave much to work with, I'm afraid.


Hmm…okay.
That’s interesting, but anyway.

Spiritstar3 wrote:I have a question/request!

And another cat one.
What would Lio (cream and seal or chocolate point. Please tell me if he should actually be white based) and Rai (pure white) produce?

Forum/viewtopic.php?t=4906189


Lio would be Seal/Black Color point! The color of the cat is determined by the darkest color on them.

Unfortunately, with cats it's not quite as simple to determine coats when one parent is completely white as there's a few variables needed. One major question being, what is that cats coat under that white? Then there's the question of if they're Dominant White (no white spotting, just a cover of white that forced them to have pink skin always and may most often come with heterochromia) or just High White Spotting (which doesn't come with heterochromia as often, and allows for other colors in the skin). So without that kind of information, I won't really be able to determine the litter unfortunately.

Cat genetics are generally more complex compared to dogs in my experience, leaving a lot more difficulties finding one to one replicants when there's only so much for them to mess with, on top of selective breeding allowing for coats that we don't even know the genetic makeup of.
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Ooo, nice.

Kay Kay.
I was using Sparrow’s garden or whatever and putting in 100% white or dominant white or whatever, and it would tell me kittens would be 50-100% white, but anyway.

Ooo, boy.
Does that mean an Angora would be Dominant white?
I’d honestly say Rai could be Dominant white. I never thought on his eye color, but his nose and ear insides are pink.
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