The Wolf Debate Thread | 56 Supporters

[Cinn]

As you know, I disagree completely.
I don't know where grey wolves are " of least concern", but in most of the US they are endangered and it is against the law to kill them,.
I don't like hunting in general, so hunting something that is legally protected gets to me.

That's why there are so many foundations and groups for the protection of wolves.

Grey Wolves aren't endangered anywhere, not even here in the US. I live in the US, and there's been so much buzz about wolves here, it's pretty damn hard not to know. It's not illegal to kill Grey Wolves either. If a wolf killed someone's life-stock, you bet to Hades they'd go and kill the wolf. It's an eye for an eye, or in this case a life for a life.
When wolves kill wild animals, sure, it's fine, but killing the cattle we eat, they will be killed for it.

It's not like we're trying to eradicate the whole species.
Just trying to get the population down to the point where they won't eat all the food we need.
Not everyone can be a vegan, like me. I personally don't care how many wolves need to be killed, hell, for all I care they can go extinct if it means I get what I need to live. I like living, and this may sound rude/scary, but I will remove anything that gets in my way of my own survival, even if it means getting rid of wolves.

Now, hunting wolves that are actually endangered is a different story.
Like the Eithipion (sp?) Wolf. Those are illegal to hunt.
Those of Least Concern, it's completely legal to hunt them, in fact, it's encouraged!

I think you explained this better then I did.

I didn't know if shooting wolves was illegal here or not, couldn't find any information on it really.

[Cinn]

As you know, I disagree completely.
I don't know where grey wolves are " of least concern", but in most of the US they are endangered and it is against the law to kill them,.
I don't like hunting in general, so hunting something that is legally protected gets to me.

That's why there are so many foundations and groups for the protection of wolves.

I was expecting you c:

Welcome to our thread.

In the United States of America, it is against the law to shoot them. This thread is directed more towards places such as Canada and Alaska, as well as other places where it is legal to shoot them. I do not support illegally shooting wolves.

I suppose I share these views because I am all for hunting. I don't mind people shooting animals at all, as long as we don't go overboard and do this in a humane way.

Is there a humane way to shoot animals?

Any way you do it; you're sending something through the animal's body to kill it. I find this wrong. Even more so when people do it for pure fun or for their coats.

How would you like it if you were shot for what you thought to be no reason?

Not to mention, there are a lot of deer, so wolves are needed.

I know, call me a wolfaboo, but I'm really not. I just don't like the thought of innocent animals being shot.

Call me speciesist, but wolves are a lot different from humans. Stop comparing the two.

[Soruc]

A humane way to kill wolves is a shot through the brain so that the wolf dies before it's brain can register any pain, or hardly any pain.

Hunting is needed, otherwise the population will skyrocket to the point where wolves will be living in our yards and move into urban habitats. I'm sorry, but sticking something in a wolf's body is the only way to physically kill it without strangling it or god knows what.

Wolves are completely different from humans and aren't related in any way other than the fact that they're both mammals.

[exorcism]

Replying to your hunting response...

We kill animals more humanely then wolves, or any other animal for that matter, do. The animal knows it's going to die or not, and it feels the pain while said predator is trying to do kill it. Humans simply shoot it, ending the life before it can even feel pain.
Also, no animal is innocent. Wolves aren't innocent. Deer aren't innocent. Humans aren't innocent.
In ways, we're all cold-blooded killers. Deer can kill you with just a simple blow to the head. They may not be trying to kill you, but they killed you. If you get what I mean here.

[Soruc]

I've also heard that wolves occasionally eat prey alive. How is that humane?

[Shian]

Pack em up and send em here! We have so many stupid deer here there's like 3 for every lawn -_- There's NO natural predators here. None. Can't imagine what an 'overpopulation of wolves' looks like O.O

[mawsoleum]

I've very little time to respond right now, so I'll go fast as possible.

Summer, it must be very rare, because they bring them down by grabbing the jugular or latching around the neck, breaking it.

And maybe we do, sure. But out in nature, it's how things work. Humans don't need to kill wolves for any good reason except for if livestock is being pestered, in which case ore methods can be taken first. And I have no idea where you're getting your facts, it is very illegal to kill grey wolves and they are endangered. In a couple states, no, but in all the rest, yes.

I'd write more, but I really have no time.

[bonegrindr]

If you are going to humanize wolves, look at it this way.
The wolves are being shot mostly because they are killing other animals that are important to our survival.

Now, if a human were to go off and kill someone, regardless of their reason, they will most likely be charged and end up with the death penalty. It's not really a big difference here, either. At least the wolves are not awake and being put into an electric chair, or into a gas chamber, or having three overdoses of deadly chemicals shot through their veins.
The usually pass away with minimal pain, if not any at all.

Aside from that, do you like to live? Do you enjoy waking up every morning to hear the birds sing and to feel the sun against your skin? So do the people who use the Caribou to survive. And so do the farmers who need their cows and other animals. I'm sure they enjoy living as well.

[Soruc]

I've very little time to respond right now, so I'll go fast as possible.

Summer, it must be very rare, because they bring them down by grabbing the jugular or latching around the neck, breaking it.

And maybe we do, sure. But out in nature, it's how things work. Humans don't need to kill wolves for any good reason except for if livestock is being pestered, in which case ore methods can be taken first. And I have no idea where you're getting your facts, it is very illegal to kill grey wolves and they are endangered. In a couple states, no, but in all the rest, yes.

I'd write more, but I really have no time.

But grey wolves as a whole are certainly not endangered. If grey wolves are rare in a certain state, hunting isn't needed.
In most states they aren't endangered, as far as I know.

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[texaco]

I've very little time to respond right now, so I'll go fast as possible.

Summer, it must be very rare, because they bring them down by grabbing the jugular or latching around the neck, breaking it.

And maybe we do, sure. But out in nature, it's how things work. Humans don't need to kill wolves for any good reason except for if livestock is being pestered, in which case ore methods can be taken first. And I have no idea where you're getting your facts, it is very illegal to kill grey wolves and they are endangered. In a couple states, no, but in all the rest, yes.

I'd write more, but I really have no time.

Canis lupus (Gray Wolf)
Status: Least Concern
Pop. trend: stable

I go by IUCN. c:

Wolves will also run at their prey and bite the legs to slow it down. How that is more humane I see not.

BESIDES, wolves are not innocent nor are they guilty. Ideas of such are invented by humans and thus must only be applied to humans. Sureee, you can say that they're innocent because they 'do no wrong', but if I am happy all the time without even knowing what sadness is, then am I truly happy? Guilt and innocence cannot be put to wolves simply because they have no concept of such things.