I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

[.:Best~of~Bugum:.]

oh its Iams "active" health.... just found that out XD

[Chronicillness]

My dogs eat Pedigree...*feels guilty* I shall tell my grandma about this!

[marlosanson]

My dog eats a mix of kibble n bits and gravy train and she loves it, I wouldn't agree with your information because my dog wouldn't eat anything old fake or not with real meat. She can lick out the whole bowl and she is fed only once a day she's 8 years old but has the energy of a 2 year old dog.

[gemini_girl]

My dog eats a mix of kibble n bits and gravy train and she loves it, I wouldn't agree with your information because my dog wouldn't eat anything old fake or not with real meat. She can lick out the whole bowl and she is fed only once a day she's 8 years old but has the energy of a 2 year old dog.

You should do your own research cause their info is accurate.

[Cardinal]

My dog eats a mix of kibble n bits and gravy train and she loves it, I wouldn't agree with your information because my dog wouldn't eat anything old fake or not with real meat. She can lick out the whole bowl and she is fed only once a day she's 8 years old but has the energy of a 2 year old dog.

Yep, I made this entire thread for poops and giggles after not doing days of research. My bad.

Ingredients for gravy train: Corn, soybean meal, beef and bone meal, animal fat, animal digest, salt, cellulose gum, caramel color, potassium chloride, bone phosphate, choline chloride, minerals (ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, manganous oxide, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamin mononitrate, vitamin A supplement, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin D3 supplement), dried beef stock, red 40, yellow 5, yellow 6, blue 2, BHA (preservative), tocopherols (preservative), citric acid (preservative).

...Where do I even start..?

Corn is indigestible. Period. Soybean meal is in digestible. Meat and bone meal, common beef like above, has been labeled as one of the poorest protien sources BESIDES meat and bone meal. Animal fat comes from GOD KNOWS what and is often roadkill or euthed shelter pets, sometime slaughter house discards which include dead, diseased, disabled, and dying animals. Animal digest is the same exact thing, cooked in a different way. Salt.. Carnivores don't even NEED salt and its been linked to several health concerns like liver failure. Cellulose is literally wood pulp. Waayyy down theirs a ton of dyes that have had STUDIES done on them that are linked to tumor growth in various places of the body. Gravy Train and Kibbles n bits BOTH use either BHT/BHA are preservatives.

Kibbles n bits is the same garbage pretty much.


Now lets post some sources shall we? Wouldn't want you to think I haven't done my research.

Artificial colors, or FD&C colors, are mostly are derived from coal tar, which is a carcinogen. Over the years, many FD&C colors have been banned because of their harmful effects. And it is likely that more will be banned in the future. Some of the worst FD&C colors include: Green #3, Blue #1, Blue #2 and Yellow #6 which cause allergic reactions and cancer in lab animals. Red #3 is a carcinogen, which may interfere with nerve transmission in the brain and causes genetic damage. It is banned in cosmetics, but allowed in food, and it’s especially harmful to children. Yellow #5 causes allergic reactions in those sensitive to aspirin. It may be life threatening.

From: http://www.healthyeatingadvisor.com/9ca ... icals.html
Yeesss, I know this is from a human website, but the tests done on lab animals are mentioned.

In test animals, BHA has caused cancer in the forestomach. Humans do not have a forestomach, although the cause of any kind of tumors in animals is cause for concern.
A probable carcinogen. There is no data on caner effects in humans but there are enough animals studies to conclude that it is a carcinogen in humans.
In test tube studies, BHA has mimicked the hormonal actions of estrogen.
Repeated contact with skin may cause irritation and skin allergies/dermatitis.

From: http://healthychild.org/issues/chemical ... xyanisole/
Once again for humans, but the tests done on animals using BHA are mentioned.

Testing of rats showed that BHA and BHT inhibited growth, caused weight loss, damaged the liver, kidneys and testicles, caused the rat to go bald, and elevated the blood cholesterol levels. It also caused their offspring to be born without eyes, and there were indications of brain defects. These two related preservatives are further suspected of causing cancer and allergic reactions.

In addition, studies have revealed that BHT accumulates in human fat tissue at a far greater concentration than it does in the fatty tissue of rats. The sudden loss of body fat due to dieting, and illness, can result in the releasing of this substance in toxic amounts. It may interest you to know that the test animal in an Australian study (which suffered similar effects as the above) were fed levels of 0.1% of BHA and BHT and that would correspond to or be lower than, levels permitted by the Canadian Government in some products.

From: http://www.purelypets.com/wellness-cent ... -pet-foods
Yeah.. That sounds great doesn't it? BHT and BHA should be in all pet food, I think! I'd be sure to buy food with BHT and BHA for sure from now on.

I have way more, do you need them? The links on the front page are also there for your reading pleasure. My information is correct whether YOU agree with it or not.

[ser]

edit : Oh poop, Cardinal ninja'd me .

My dog eats a mix of kibble n bits and gravy train and she loves it, I wouldn't agree with your information because my dog wouldn't eat anything old fake or not with real meat. She can lick out the whole bowl and she is fed only once a day she's 8 years old but has the energy of a 2 year old dog.

Just want to say that just because your dog 'likes it' doesn't mean it's healthy. At all. I like pies, pizzas, and candy. Is it really that healthy? No.

Here are some of the ingredients of Kibbles n' Bits.

Corn, soybean meal, ground wheat flour, beef & bone meal, animal fat (BHA used as preservative), water sufficient for processing, corn syrup, wheat middlings, soy flour, animal digest, wheat gluten, propylene glycol, salt, hydrochloric acid, chicken, potassium chloride, caramel color, titanium dioxide, sorbic acid (used as a preservative), choline chloride, sodium carbonate, minerals (ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, manganous oxide, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), dried carrots, vitamins (vitamin E supplement, niacin supplement, vitamin A supplement, d-calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement), calcium sulfate, potassium sorbate (used as a preservative), yellow 6, yellow 5, BHA (used as a preservative), dl-methionine, red 40.

Some tidbits I wrote about the things in bold.

Corn is difficult to digest, & can be linked to common allergies. Dog's should be fed on primarily meat, not grains either.
Soybean meal is a poor filler, primarily to boost proteins in low quality food.
Animal fats can be from any sort of animal too, including diseased, roadkill, euthanized animals, etc;. There is a high chance of it being contaminated.
Wheat middlings are inexpensive, and really serve no nutritional value whatsoever.
Corn syrup is not needed in dog food at all. It can also lead to dangerous health problems, such as arthritis, obesity, tooth decay, etc;.
Soy flour looses much of it's nutritional value when being turned to grain.
Animal digest is similar to the animal fats. They are unspecified parts of unspecified animals. Gross.
Wheat gluten provides little to no nutrional value.
Propylene Glycol is a toxic ingredient when in large amounts. Should not be in a meal that is fed daily { which I assume you are feeding kibbles n' bits daily }.
Yellow 6 can cause tumors within the kidney, and can be risky to feed. Yellow 5 can cause allergic reactions. They are better left out. Red 5 is used in mainly junk foods, and can be risky. Overall, artificial colorings should not be in dog foods. They are of no help.
BHA is banned from human use in many countries. It can cause tumors & cancer.

Overall Kibbles n' bits has next to no meats { & if there is meat it's very loq quality }, low quality grains, artifical colors, & chemical preservatives are used.

Many sites have rated Kibbles n' Bits a very low score. You would think if so many sites & people talked so poorly about a dog food brand that it would be unhealthy. Don't you think?
// all of my research & information I posted came from some links in Cardinal's first post

[~Erratic~]

I did part of my Senior Project on this! I knew almost all of the information already, but it was nice to refresh myself. I work at a Kennel, and some of the food people bring in is terrible. People bring in the worse stuff for their dog that we have to feed them: Some pre-packaged soft sweet smelling junk that is THEN covered with some weird watery canned food... BLEH! Our Kennel offers Holstic Select too, really great stuff, yet people still bring in Kibbles n' bits and other junk foods. I have to admit, when I was younger we use to buy that stuff for the longest time. Same with Beneful. We'll, thats no more. I've got my dogs eating healthier and my grandparent's dogs as well.

Its great to find this thread! It educates people about the Marketing lies our there thats saying they will provide the best for your pup.

[Cardinal]

I did part of my Senior Project on this! I knew almost all of the information already, but it was nice to refresh myself. I work at a Kennel, and some of the food people bring in is terrible. People bring in the worse stuff for their dog that we have to feed them: Some pre-packaged soft sweet smelling junk that is THEN covered with some weird watery canned food... BLEH! Our Kennel offers Holstic Select too, really great stuff, yet people still bring in Kibbles n' bits and other junk foods. I have to admit, when I was younger we use to buy that stuff for the longest time. Same with Beneful. We'll, thats no more. I've got my dogs eating healthier and my grandparent's dogs as well.

Its great to find this thread! It educates people about the Marketing lies our there thats saying they will provide the best for your pup.

Thats awesome! I actually dropped out of high school.. Or I totally would of.. That of repuitible breeders vs. puppymills/bybers.. >_> REGRETS!

[Jazi]

I decided on EVO for the Dober until I switch him up to raw over the summer. Looking at prices, I can see why people tend to go with IAMS, wow. 35lbs of IAMS is $20, 35lbs of EVO is $50, 35lbs of Orijen is $70! The price is worth it but holy smokes, it all makes sense now.

[Cardinal]

I decided on EVO for the Dober until I switch him up to raw over the summer. Looking at prices, I can see why people tend to go with IAMS, wow. 35lbs of IAMS is $20, 35lbs of EVO is $50, 35lbs of Orijen is $70! The price is worth it but holy smokes, it all makes sense now.

BUT ZEH BENEFITZ, JAZI! DA BENEFITZ!

I know what you mean though.. and.. I buy whatever's on sale. >_> If you happen to have a Pet Supplies Plus ANYWHERE in the area go there! Mine really often has 5-8~ dollars off on some bags. I once got 20 dollars off for a 30lb bag of Natures Variety because they were moving out stock.

Do you mean 25lbs of Evo? >_> Here's its 64~ for 25lbs. I generally buy Earthborn Holistic 28lbs for 50 bucks and not a HUGE difference in quality. <3