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Re: I May Be Getting Guppy Fish!!!!!!

Postby Gamma2005 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:17 am

Haretz wrote:The cycling is important and you should do it before getting the fish as well. Try to clean it well and watch out for ammonia poisoning especially if you don't cycle the tank so be prepared and be wary if your guppies go to the surface of the tank to start "gasping" for air and start becoming bloated. Ich is a disease where your fish has white spots all over its body, it can be hard to notice at first but when it starts to spread it'll be harder to get rid of, Ich medication and raising the temperature of the water to discourage it from reproducing works out, and if your fish aren't too sensitive to it, a little bit of salt works out too. If you get a 10-15 gallon and you want more fish in the future, a couple of neon tetras would also work out, they're schooling fish so you'd need to buy multiple though. When you're changing the water only switch about 25% at a time. If things start going wrong and they start dying, also check out the temperature and the pH of the water with pH strips you can get at your local pet store. Good luck with your new fish friends, they're very rewarding and smart, you can PM me if you have any questions on them. It's imperative that you get a proper sized tank though, I believe in America and Canada they have $1 per gallon sales at PetSmart as I've read, so you can wait for one of those if money is a problem.



i know when an animal is sick, so ill spot anythign not normal easily, i spotted when Taffy had an infection the first day and once Puff had fins root and i spotted it quickly so he got cure :)

as for the 1$ per gallon, where i live we're very far from all other pet store and place like that, only 1 pet store is close enough so we go, we'Re in a place that almsot nobody knows about the town. for neons tetra i wont over flow my mom with asking for other fish after guppies, ill wait untel im at least 16 and then get other kind of fish, but when im 16 i really would like getting a dog since i'd have a job, i really love australian shepherd, but the topic is about guppies so i'd better get back to the subject.

PH will be tested often at the pet store, and the temperatur i got a thign showing how high it is and tis always perfectly at the good temperature


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Re: I May Be Getting Guppy Fish!!!!!!

Postby Gamma2005 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:21 am

and any of you have experience with baby guppies? because in casse one of my femelle is pregnent i'd betterbe ready then having the babies and not know what to do
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Re: I May Be Getting Guppy Fish!!!!!!

Postby Angelus Gaston » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:40 am

Gamma2005 wrote:and any of you have experience with baby guppies? because in casse one of my femelle is pregnent i'd betterbe ready then having the babies and not know what to do

You will need another tank and equipment to keep the fry in to prevent the adults from eating them its a temporary tank till there big enough not to be eaten by the adult fish.
Also unless you have someone or somewhere to take them you will need a bigger tank so not to get over stocked.
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Re: I May Be Getting Guppy Fish!!!!!!

Postby Lonin » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:00 am

Gamma2005 wrote:and any of you have experience with baby guppies? because in casse one of my femelle is pregnent i'd betterbe ready then having the babies and not know what to do

If the females are pregnant you'll definitely need not only a second tank but a bigger one. Guppies are incredibly prolific breeders so if the females end up pregnant you'll very, very quickly be overrun with fish. Females can have over 100 babies per pregnancy and gestation takes under a month. They can also store sperm for months so if they were ever kept with a male, even if they aren't when you buy them, they're most likely pregnant.
The babies aren't too hard to look after. They need their own cycled tank with a sponge filter or the parents will eat most of them. Make sure the food you're feeding them is small enough. The most important thing is finding something to do with them all. If you don't separate the males from the females in 2-3 months you'll end up with a load more pregnant females.
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Re: I May Be Getting Guppy Fish!!!!!!

Postby VermontVampyre » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:20 am

I just got a question? How do you expect to clean the tank? No one actually picks the tanks up to clean them that I'M aware of? They clean them on site?

They use a net to scoop the fish out into a clean container of water/clean tank and use buckets/cups to scoop the water into another bucket that they can carry to the water disposal site (toilet/sink/outdoors). Then they clean and use fish safe products to scrub the tank, rinse it (disposing of the rinse water in the same way) and cart in the clean water in the SAME WAY. Then they put the water softening drops (or what ever those drops are) into the water and add the plants and such back in...then lastly the fish go back in.

Once all the water is scooped out the tank would weigh maybe 10 pounds top and if you cant carry 10 pounds (if your mom insists you scrub tank outside) then Idk how you ever plan to clean a 2 gallon fish tank which is rather heavy when filled with water?

Feel free to point THAT out to your mom ;p
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Re: I May Be Getting Guppy Fish!!!!!!

Postby Gamma2005 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:59 am

i dont have trouble lifting my 1 gallon tank filled with water, i should be able to lift a 2 gallon but ill never be able to lift 5 gallon or more, i have no strengh and i dont really mind.

if i have a femelles with babies my mom will lickely let me get another tank for them, she wotn let them die eaten by the adults for sure.
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Re: I May Be Getting Guppy Fish!!!!!!

Postby velasco » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:26 pm

    listen, i know guppies are adorable and that you probably already do and will love them, but if you do love them it's better to keep their best interest in mind rather than yours. please, if your mom doesn't want you to have a 5 gallon tank or bigger, don't get the guppies. there's multiple reasons as to why that everyone has listed here. i am in not in any way, shape, or form attempting to argue with you, i am just trying to educate you on the guppies well beings.

    if you're like i am and absolutely love and adore fish, you'll end up loving them unconditionally and caring for them. you'll most likely get attached. if they don't have the proper tank size or care, they could get stressed and die of stress, they could stop growing as they have no room to do so (especially if you're putting two guppies into the same one gallon tank) and die from that, as well as many other terrible outcomes.

    you say you're beta was in a one gallon, which was also unhealthy, as is a two gallon for it.

    i understand, fish are adorable and lovable, but they'll be pathetic, sick, and stressed nonstop if they don't have the proper care.

    note: i've owned multiple fish and tanks: you do not need to lift your tanks to clean them, trust me. i'm weak and fragile and managed to clean their tanks when necessary. not being able to lift the tank is no excuse. think about it this way. you buy a tank too small, they'll die quickly, and you'll just have an empty tank too small for any fish, really, crowding your home.

    this:
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    is a one gallon tank from walmart.
    this:
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    is multiple examples of adult guppies.

    below is a five gallon tank.
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    refer back to the image of the multiple adult guppies.
    some guppies get bigger than that, not to mention.
    and if your guppies are pregnant?
    you have no chance of any of them surviving.
    think about the fish rather than yourself.
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Re: I May Be Getting Guppy Fish!!!!!!

Postby VermontVampyre » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:01 pm

Gamma2005 wrote:i dont have trouble lifting my 1 gallon tank filled with water, i should be able to lift a 2 gallon but ill never be able to lift 5 gallon or more, i have no strengh and i dont really mind.

if i have a femelles with babies my mom will lickely let me get another tank for them, she wotn let them die eaten by the adults for sure.


My mom is 4 foot 11 and can lift merely 50 lbs ...yet she had no trouble when I was growing up cleaning a 30 gallon fish tank. How? SHE DIDNT PICK IT UP FULL OF WATER LIKE A NOOB. She removed the fish into a bucket of water and used a cup to transfer the dirty water to a bucket that she was able to carry off and dump...taking several trips to do so. This is what my bf did with his 10 gallon...which btw...weighs about 7 lbs with nothing but the decorations and bottom pebbles in it? If you cant carry a 7 pound EMPTY fish tank then you probably wont be able to handle that dog you wanna get when you are 16.

Now if you arent going to listen to people with years and experience on you then maybe you are too immature (and yeah you could be more 'mature' than your brothers...boys are well known to be anywhere from 4 to 10 years 'immature' wise..so at 16 they can and will act ages 6-12) to handle caring for animals. I dont care what your horwse friend says shes just as wrong as you are! She is probably out replacing fish every 3 months. My bf, on the other hand, has a gold dust (dusk?) Molly that is OLDER than my oldest child who turns 6 in December. This fish is alone in a 10 gallon tank and super happy and is barely bigger than a guppy. He even says that you 'could' keep guppies in that small of a tank...if you want to be wasting money buying new fish every 2-3 months because of ammonia poisoning. Or because of repeatedly stressing them out by daily water cleaning. This was told to him (he wanted to do what you are doing) by the owner of our local pet store...who has YEARS of knowledge about keeping fish alive...of all types...fresh, salt, and brackish.

Heck until I met this guy I didnt even KNOW that goldfish need feeding at least 3 times a day because they dont have a stomach in the same way most animals do! ...If you've has goldfish that died thats probably WHY they died...they starved to death slowly.

If you want to use that 1 gallon for something? Use it as a terrarium for succulents. Dont put guppies in what essentially is a death row prison cell for fish.
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Re: I May Be Getting Guppy Fish!!!!!!

Postby Hime » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:56 pm

serendipity. wrote:


    this:
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    is multiple examples of adult guppies.

Those are actually either Endler guppies (Poecilia wingei) or wild versions of fancy guppies (Poecilia reticulata). At least where I live it's very hard to find the wild variation of guppies in stores, as nearly all guppies sold are fancy guppies and then there might be some Endlers, which may or may not be pure Endlers (guppies and Endlers can cross breed...). Endlers at least are smaller in size than the fancy guppies mostly seen in stores today, plus require different type water conditions.

VermontVampyre wrote:I just got a question? How do you expect to clean the tank? No one actually picks the tanks up to clean them that I'M aware of? They clean them on site?

They use a net to scoop the fish out into a clean container of water/clean tank and use buckets/cups to scoop the water into another bucket that they can carry to the water disposal site (toilet/sink/outdoors). Then they clean and use fish safe products to scrub the tank, rinse it (disposing of the rinse water in the same way) and cart in the clean water in the SAME WAY. Then they put the water softening drops (or what ever those drops are) into the water and add the plants and such back in...then lastly the fish go back in.

Um, no, that's not the way to clean a tank. It's totally unnecessary to scoop out the fish, empty the whole tank and scrub the tank with a cleaner. Water softener is not a thing I think (though what do I know, we have naturally super soft water coming out of our taps)... Products can be used to make the water harder or more accidict(which often can also make it softer), but the water conditioner added to the new water when doing a water change is supposed to remove chlorine and chloramine(which are harmful to fish), and in some cases also some hard metals (such as copper, which is dangerous to shrimps for example). Some water conditoners also claim to be able to remove some nitrogen compounds, especially if a large dose is used. Some people may not need to use water conditioner because their water doesn't contain chlorine etc. and people using RO water I think also don't need it (but they need to add minerals back into the water).
To clean a tank where it sit all that is needed is a siphon with some hose attached to it and a bucket (or two or three etc.). Bucket shouldn't be so big that the person cleaning the tank can't carry it after it's filled with water. When changing water: first shut down filter(s) and heater, siphon needed amount of water(this is 25-50% of tank's volume under normal circumstances) from the tank into bucket(s) while also howering the siphon along the bottom of the tank to pick up all the poop/waste off(the method of doing this will depend on does the tank have gravel, sand or barebottom). When that's done, empty out all the water from the buckets(or if you need to clean filters, use that water to clean them as it doesn't harm the bacteria) and then fill them with clean water(I also usually rinse the buckets before filling them with clean water), add in the water conditioner and scoop or gently pour the new water in to the tank. Turn the filter and heater back on, make sure they start to function, and you are done. No fish or plant(my live plants would not appreciate getting ripped out every week...) needs to be moved and with my 128 liter tank it takes me less than one 1 hour to do with 3-4 buckets (I change 40-50 liters of water). :) If algae needs to be cleaned from the walls, it's usually easy to scrape it off with a plastic card or algae scraper before siphoning the water, which also is then used to suck out the algae that has sunk to the bottom.
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Re: I May Be Getting Guppy Fish!!!!!!

Postby Gamma2005 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:15 am

serendipity. wrote:
    listen, i know guppies are adorable and that you probably already do and will love them, but if you do love them it's better to keep their best interest in mind rather than yours. please, if your mom doesn't want you to have a 5 gallon tank or bigger, don't get the guppies. there's multiple reasons as to why that everyone has listed here. i am in not in any way, shape, or form attempting to argue with you, i am just trying to educate you on the guppies well beings.

    if you're like i am and absolutely love and adore fish, you'll end up loving them unconditionally and caring for them. you'll most likely get attached. if they don't have the proper tank size or care, they could get stressed and die of stress, they could stop growing as they have no room to do so (especially if you're putting two guppies into the same one gallon tank) and die from that, as well as many other terrible outcomes.

    you say you're beta was in a one gallon, which was also unhealthy, as is a two gallon for it.

    i understand, fish are adorable and lovable, but they'll be pathetic, sick, and stressed nonstop if they don't have the proper care.

    note: i've owned multiple fish and tanks: you do not need to lift your tanks to clean them, trust me. i'm weak and fragile and managed to clean their tanks when necessary. not being able to lift the tank is no excuse. think about it this way. you buy a tank too small, they'll die quickly, and you'll just have an empty tank too small for any fish, really, crowding your home.

    this:
    Image
    is a one gallon tank from walmart.
    this:
    Image
    is multiple examples of adult guppies.

    below is a five gallon tank.
    Image
    refer back to the image of the multiple adult guppies.
    some guppies get bigger than that, not to mention.
    and if your guppies are pregnant?
    you have no chance of any of them surviving.
    think about the fish rather than yourself.



weird because my tank is double the siz of the 1 gallon tank on the picture, reason i know is looking at the betta and the place he have and i got double space. as for the uppies pictures, i already know how they look like ;) so its possible i have a 2 gallon.
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