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[sweater]

Hunters have their* right to hunt sorry I had to say that

Sorry if I sound rude, but what does that have to do with her form?
And yes, hunters do have the right to hunt, but not to the extent that they take it sometimes.

I know,I love wolves,but they were a problem.But sometimes there's jerks out there that hunt illegally,or shoot young ones (well,young deer anyway.I haven't heard of wolf pups being killed though) and it really upsets me.I'm thinking about talking to one of the DNR officers and discussing the issue with him.Hopefully I can make it illgal to shoot deer that still have their spots :(

I'm not a hunter, but I do know that it is illegal to shoot a baby deer everywhere.

[van]

^ actually, often times it's legal to shoot a young deer, but you'll most likely need to buy a tag for it, and only certain amount if tags are given out each year. this is more commonly the case when deer are extremely overpopulated tho. but yes it's legal to shoot young deer if you have the right tags or licenses. fat chance it'll ever be completely illegal, no matter how many people confront the DNR about it, as it plays an important roll in controlling deer populations.
poaching and hunting are two completely different things and you need to know how to tell the difference. state laws vary and I'd read up on yours, it might come in handy.

but yo that's a bit off-topic.
i've been hearing tons of wolves around here though, which is a bit odd with all of the people. there really has been a boom of them lately.

[Cwn Mamau]

This is a thread for supporting wolves. If you wish to debate the joys of killing living things as a hobby there are plenty of other threads for that.

[wolves+horses]

This is a thread for supporting wolves. If you wish to debate the joys of killing living things as a hobby there are plenty of other threads for that.

Most, if not all, of those here who support wolf hunting do not support hunting wolves for pure sport. As has been said over and over in the past, controlled wolf hunting in areas where non-endangered wolves are overpopulated benefits the wolves themselves. I personally do not like the idea of hunting wolves, but I understand that it is occasionally necessary and I respect those that support it well.

[friday!]

This is a thread for supporting wolves. If you wish to debate the joys of killing living things as a hobby there are plenty of other threads for that.

tbh, i disagree with the "killing living things for a hobby" statement, since it could be argued that many things can sound terrible with the right (or i guess wrong) phrasing as well as the fact that you make it sound like hunters don't care for the animals they hunt, which is often not the case. for example, one can truly love animals, and work with preserves, shelters, etc. but have a great love for taxidermy or hunting, and that won't make their respect or work as being any less valid. for my first point, you wouldn't say that brushing your teeth is scraping bone with plastic sticks and processed salves, but that's what it is. poaching shouldn't even come into the question when discussing hunting as a hobby, since most people a) aren't poachers, b) wouldn't logically "hate" any animal they hunt (aside maybe farmers getting predators off of their land to protect their crops/livestock; even then, probably not even hating them), or c) just going into it without knowing anything at all (which is unlikely because you need a whole slurry of licenses to begin with).

[Cwn Mamau]

I don't care if you don't like how it sounds. Unless you have to hunt for survival, such as the Inuit and other native peoples who live traditionally and not near a supermarket, then you are killing because you enjoy killing. It is the height of arrogance when hunters excuse their "sport" as a true love of nature and respect for the animals, or claiming they are needed to keep the natural balance even though the attempted extermination of all large predators by hunters is why prey animals are overpopulated now. That is just spin doctoring to make it sound better to themselves and the non-hunting public. There was a meeting recently between hunting groups and state agencies (I forget what state it was held in but several states were involved) to determine hunting quotas for big game and wolves, but do you know who was barred from attending? The biologist that study wolves and other wildlife and actually know what a functioning balance is and what a stable wolf population should be. Isn't that interesting? So when hunters spout about too many wolves and they have to slaughter them for their own good just remember that is coming from someone who has an agenda and not scientific facts. I also find it interesting that cattle ranchers who are already getting government subsidies are allowed to drive their herds into national parks to feed on taxpayer funded land and yet if one wolf dares to poke it's nose one foot over a park border they can be shot by whoever sees them. In my state right now hunters are already allowed to hunt 6 days a week, making it dangerous for anyone else to enjoy the outdoors (people who really love nature, and don't need to bring home animal parts to prove it) but they are now demanding to be allowed to hunt seven days a week. I've seen people desperate for a smoke after 8 hours on a plane that are easier to deal with that these hunters who are having temper tantrums because they want to kill every day of the week.

[Hyensa]

Wolves get shot and there's nothing you can do about it, point blank.

Wolves are my 6th favorite animal, and their fur patterns and colors really awe me.
I'm not too fond of the different species naming, though, I don't know all of them.

[Lupen]

This is a thread for supporting wolves. If you wish to debate the joys of killing living things as a hobby there are plenty of other threads for that.

You do not own this thread, and many times the actual moderators of this thread have said that we are welcome to have debates or discussions involving wolf hunting as long as it's respectful and mature.

I've seen you join in many debates and one thing I have noticed is you are very close minded. I don't mean that as an insult. But you think everything that involves killing animals seems to be cruel and whoever is committing said "cruelty" must hate animals and be a terrible human being. Even though population control IS needed. Even though hunting these days is very humane. Even though there are laws and regulations in place that make sure hunting isn't doing any harm to the balance... Only helping it. Maybe hunting and humans taking animals' territories started this whole mess in the past. Sure. Hunting also sent many species to extinction, but it was in the past. We didn't have laws and regulations like we do now. And now we have to fix or help some of the issues we caused in the past. You seem to be forgetting too, that we are a part of nature too. We are animals. The only thing setting us apart is our intelligence.

I don't know, but it's hard to tell if you're against animals dying - period, or only against people killing animals. Because with humane population culling, the populations are kept in check. Diseases are spread at a slower rate, less animals starve - which means less painful deaths, less animals will roam into towns where they can attack pets or children, and end up getting shot/ran over anyways. Overpopulation just throws the whole food chain off.

So. As you can see, without population control animals will die much more painful deaths and just cause more issues to the environment. Animals die either way. It's life. But with hunting there is less pain, without hunting more. Yet because humans are doing the killing you're against it. You'd rather nature take its course. I don't get this frame of mind. I just don't.

If its in our power to alleviate the widespread pain, devastation, etc. from the overpopulation of a species in a given area... Wouldn't you agree we should do so? The whole "let nature takes its course" deal I've heard before I'll tell you right now isn't an option. Not when, as said, we are a part of nature too. Why is it so bad for us to population cull, while it's perfectly fine for wolves or bears to hunt? Most hunters, yes even sport or population culls, use everything. In most areas, at least the US and Canada, there are actually laws for most if not all species that at least require you to take the carcass with you. It personally makes no sense to waste a good pelt and meal. And most hunters agree.

[van]

i’m not really going to bother repeating what other people have said or get into a debate lol. but while the posts about deer were off-topic, no one here is arguing against wolves.
say and believe what you wish, but don’t police other people and claim that their opinions are lowly and yours are the only ones that matter. you can believe strongly in something and still have enough self-control to keep the bitterness of it to yourself, or at least, you should.
but tbh fear of being shot by a hunter is really just biased paranoia. hunters aren’t as trigger-happy as a lot of antis like to believe. while accidents do obviously occur as they do in every activity, the yearly numbers of hunting related accidents are low compared to many other things such as a driving a car (obviously), or doing something as simple as playing a harmless sport. statistically, far more people are killed or injured while bicycling or swimming each year than while hunting.
if you're afraid of getting shot, wear brightly colored clothing.

[Cwn Mamau]

Isn't it just awesome when someone can tell a persons whole personality by reading a few posts on some forums while at the same time ignoring any and all facts they don't like? You must have collage masters in psychology and animal biology to be so superior to the rest of us peons who dare to speak up for unfairly persecuted animals. You can't say deer are so overpopulated that they would all starve and die of disease if they weren't culled since there are no predators to control their numbers then turn around and use that exact same argument to kill the predators like wolves when they start to breed and hunt the deer. That's the same backwards logic Alaska used when they used helicopters to kill wolves and bears when it was really just another back room deal to increase the number of trophy animals for hunters. And please don't even pull out the overpopulation excuse, if hunters are so concerned with too many animals destroying the environment why don't we hear about feral pig hunts? There are millions of them destroying woods and crops in more than a dozen states but the only people you hear about hunting them are small groups using dogs to hunt them down then cut their throats. Not exactly humane to the pigs or the dogs is it? Or what about feral cat populations who kill unknown numbers of songbirds and other animals? They live short unhealthy diseased lives but when someone suggests killing them people have fits. What makes them better than deer? I have no problem with people killing animals if it is done humanly and for a reason. Not because someone wants to wear fur, not a trophy to prove how macho they are, not because someone's grandma's aunt said a spleen or a gall bladder is a miracle cure, not to make jewelry out of horn or bone, and Not For Fun. It's also more than a little ridiculous to claim you know how the majority of hunters act based on the few you may know. Should I generalize all car drivers on the way I drive? Should I assume they are going to follow all those driving laws like you claim most hunters follow hunting laws? You can claim I'm close minded all you want but I don't live with blinders on. I am also not going to be forced to wear tacky bright colors (that I don't even own or want to own) to enjoy a walk in a public place, non-hunters have rights too. By the way, if our human intelligence makes us so superior why are animals still being pushed to extinction, why do we not stop breeding past what the planet can support, why do we still poison and strip the environment past all recovery? It's called greed and arrogance in case you were wondering. And before I forget, perhaps some of those nature loving hunters who like to kill tiny birds should switch to steel shot instead of putting thousands of pounds of poisonous lead buckshot into the environment.