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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Wolf & Crow » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:14 am

Troye & Tyler <3 wrote:
Glow wrote:
PeachFuzz wrote:Humans are animals. So comparing humans to animals is like comparing pine trees to the plant kingdom. One species will never be more important than an entire kingdom. So yes, other animals as a whole are more important than humans.


    it seemed implied that they meant, if one was to save the life of a person or a creature, they should let the person die and save the creature


Indeed. I couldn't care less about people, really. Given the option, I'd save my pets first before my family, even.


I think that's really extreme, I mean, I care about animals but my family is more important for me, I do think that animals are awesome and for me animals are the same as humans but dude a family is a family

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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Gypaetus Barbatus » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:16 am

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However, there exist families that are abusive. Would you save your abusive father above your pet? If that means you'll continue to be abused for however long he wishes? I wouldn't, that's for sure.
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby The Furry Fandom » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:16 am

I always love the whole "save animals before people debate", because it can get very bizarre.
Here is a question then, as I'd love to know the answer. You'd rather save a wolf, or any animal really, before your own kind, yes?

Would you save a dying, starving wolf pup or a dying, starving human child first? You can only save one, though.
The sad part is, most wolf lovers will say "screw the child, walfs need moar help!" I'm all for helping animals, but I would never put a wild animal's life above the life of a human, especially my own blood. If that somehow makes me evil then I'll embrace that.
I'd even save my human family before my animal family. Why? Well you can easy replace your pet, but not your parents, siblings, relatives. Yeah they are some I'd rather save last, but they are still my blood. An animal isn't.

edit: About the abusive parent thing. One, could you live knowing you basically killed someone?
Two, you can always go to the authorities about an abusive parent.

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Postby Canis2954 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:20 am

Troye & Tyler <3 wrote:
Glow wrote:
PeachFuzz wrote:Humans are animals. So comparing humans to animals is like comparing pine trees to the plant kingdom. One species will never be more important than an entire kingdom. So yes, other animals as a whole are more important than humans.


    it seemed implied that they meant, if one was to save the life of a person or a creature, they should let the person die and save the creature


Indeed. I couldn't care less about people, really. Given the option, I'd save my pets first before my family, even.


    Honestly I think that's a sadistic and hateful way to live, and I feel extremely sorry for you. ^^

    I'd love to hear what can possibly make your mind value a creature over an affectionate friend that cares deeply about you (and you'd save some animal first!)
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Daisywolf14 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:22 am

I think that's really extreme, I mean, I care about animals but my family is more important for me, I do think that animals are awesome and for me animals are the same as humans but dude a family is a family

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Animals are a HUGE portion of my life! But even so I would never keep one in pain and I would never let a animal get away with harming a human (defense is another thing). If a dog bit a man that was abuseing the dog the humans health is first priority, animal abuse laws and court come after. If I saw a dog biteing a human out of the blew I would takes whatever means nessicary to get the human in a safe place.
It's not a matter of who's better it's just a matter of health and safety for your own species.
But yes they are seriously thinking about this in a EXTREMLY wrong way, it's not healthy.

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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Gypaetus Barbatus » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:23 am

Xylom wrote:
I always love the whole "save animals before people debate", because it can get very bizarre.
Here is a question then, as I'd love to know the answer. You'd rather save a wolf, or any animal really, before your own kind, yes?

Would you save a dying, starving wolf pup or a dying, starving human child first? You can only save one, though.
The sad part is, most wolf lovers will say "screw the child, walfs need moar help!" I'm all for helping animals, but I would never put a wild animal's life above the life of a human, especially my own blood. If that somehow makes me evil then I'll embrace that.
I'd even save my human family before my animal family. Why? Well you can easy replace your pet, but not your parents, siblings, relatives. Yeah they are some I'd rather save last, but they are still my blood. An animal isn't.

edit: About the abusive parent thing. One, could you live knowing you basically killed someone?
Two, you can always go to the authorities about an abusive parent.


I could most definitely live knowing I basically killed someone by saving someone else first. Animals aren't just toys that you can replace like that. Also, animals are someone, they feel, they think, they're smart, some are even aware, like we are. They're someone, not 'it'. We hang on too much that animals are things that we can replace, that, when one dies, it doesn't matter as much. I think that's inherently wrong.

Also, authorities don't always respond to these kind of things.
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Wolf & Crow » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:24 am

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edit: About the abusive parent thing. One, could you live knowing you basically killed someone?
Two, you can always go to the authorities about an abusive parent.


Of you had an abusive parent, do you actually think that he'd let you go to the authorities?
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Daisywolf14 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:29 am

Well you keep living by that and see where it gets you.
It's sad to see someone think that way. What if a dog is seriously sick?
And the only way for it to be confertable is for it to be put down, or you could
Keep it alive but the cost would be that this dog would always be in pain?
According to you animals are not replaceable so this would mean you can never
Find a dog like this again?
What do you do?

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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Daisywolf14 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:30 am

Howlingwolf13 wrote:
Xylom wrote:


edit: About the abusive parent thing. One, could you live knowing you basically killed someone?
Two, you can always go to the authorities about an abusive parent.


Of you had an abusive parent, do you actually think that he'd let you go to the authorities?

That's why you'd call them on your own. There are meny was to call in secret.
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby The Furry Fandom » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:32 am

@Troye and Tyler
Yes animals are living, breathing things. Just like humans are. However, animals are not rational or logical thinkers like humans. Most animals wouldn't think twice about saving their skin and letting you die, even your pet dog would probably do just that. But a human will put their life on the line to save a complete stranger, because they know that is the right thing to do. An animal won't do that. They don't care about you for more than a food source and a shelter. Sure, they can show gratitude for your companionship and food, but that is about it. And yes, they are easily replaceable. If my cat died I'd be heartbroken, but I know I can go get another cat who I'd love just as much.
If my mother died today, I can't replace her. I'd never have another mother just like my birth mom. You can't replace blood like you can an animal.

Also, you just said you could live saying you killed a human so you could save an animal. I think I'm done here.

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I like that you said "he", like a woman can't be abusive. What about another family member, a friend? Teacher at school, neighbor? You think killing a person is the logical answer? I've a father who walks a thin line between mental and emotional abusive with me, him being a drunk. But I would never think of killing him or watching him die.

edit again" Also we are getting off track here. This is about wolves, right?
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