operation p.a.w. ;; don't let the howls stop

[Nyxeva]

We do have opinions. It's just...they are savage, cruel and wild. Very far from 'gentle'.

They are not savage and cruel in any way. They hunt to feed their families, and care for their pack members. living much like our own spicies, with social structures, order, family, and love.

But I agree that it's sad this won't do anything to save wolves. I wish there was a thread that actually gave us something to do, like petition or something, instead of just debate.

While the terms savage and cruel can be used interchangeably, I think wolves fit under some of the other definitions of the word savage.

savage (adj)
1.
fierce, ferocious, or cruel; untamed: savage beasts.

Wolves are in fact fierce, ferocious and untamed. It is part of what makes them so beautiful.

[sweater]

For their families and pack, true. But that's true for a lot of wild animals. It was a natural instinct given to many wild animals; without it, the family would die off and all the wolves would be gone. The animals don't care about their families, it's just instintual. But like all wild animals, they are very unpredictable and vicious at times. People have pet wolves, and almost every single one of them gets turned on eventually. I do love wolves, as stated before, but I would never label one with 'gentle'.

Exactly, Lynx. Thank you very much.

[Wazaiyata]

For their families and pack, true. But that's true for a lot of wild animals. It was a natural instinct given to many wild animals; without it, the family would die off and all the wolves would be gone. The animals don't care about their families, it's just instintual. But like all wild animals, they are very unpredictable and vicious at times. People have pet wolves, and almost every single one of them gets turned on eventually. I do love wolves, as stated before, but I would never label one with 'gentle'.

Exactly, Lynx. Thank you very much.

I agree with lynx too, thank you for clarification. But I still believe they are as humane as they can get, not trying to be malicious in any way.

They do in fact love and care about their family. I suggest you look at some reliable resources before basing every animal's decisions on 'instinct'? Wolves care very much about each individual in the pack and family. :3

[sweater]

You know this how? Are you a wolf? Have you ever delved into the feelings of one?

Now, I don't know that this is entirely instinct, either. But it is much more logical...

I didn't come here for an argument, just seeing if anyone agreed.

[Wazaiyata]

You know this how? Are you a wolf? Have you ever delved into the feelings of one?

Now, I don't know that this is entirely instinct, either. But it is much more logical...

I didn't come here for an argument, just seeing if anyone agreed.

I didn't come here for an argument either. No need to question me with that 'tone'
I have studied wolves for more than half of my life, it might seem logical, but it is much better to do research with real facts than base it all on your logic.
I am not a wolf. I know this because I have studied them for over 8 years. I have worked with wolves in captivity at the Colorado Wolf and Wildlife center, an educational rescue organization.

This wasn't meant to be offensive by the way, just trying to say i am not the mindless person you make me out to be x3

[sweater]

...tone?

I don't care if you've studied them for eight years, twenty-six years or your entire life since the day you were born. It still doesn't mean you know how they think or feel. I obviously don't either, but I have my opinion and I'd appreciate it if you considered it before you started talking to me like I'm wrong.

Maybe you're right. Maybe wolves do have feelings. Maybe they it is just instincts. No one knows.

[Wazaiyata]

...tone?

I don't care if you've studied them for eight years, twenty-six years or your entire life since the day you were born. It still doesn't mean you know how they think or feel. I obviously don't either, but I have my opinion and I'd appreciate it if you considered it before you started talking to me like I'm wrong.

Maybe you're right. Maybe wolves do have feelings. Maybe they it is just instincts. No one knows.

Okay then...?
Actually we do know how some of how they think and feel, though there is still much to learn, I am telling you what we do know.
I am considering your opinions, we all have right to our own. If you look back, i never once said you were wrong, i was just trying to help you. Because sometimes basing everything on your own thoughts is not right. I used to when i was younger, also, no worries.

But what we do know is they have family structure, feelings (although not at complex as humans), and experience the emotion of love. They care for their family :3

[sweater]

How do you know that? If that seems rude in anyway, I apologize because it's not. I'm just curious how someone tells feelings from instincts.

And I'm only basing this on my thoughts because there are no cold, hard facts stating that wolves have feelings. It might not be right in some cases, but I'd say thoughts are all we have to determine whether or not they have feelings.

And you never flat-out said I was wrong, it's just you seem to think that there is no other opinion.

[Wazaiyata]

How do you know that? If that seems rude in anyway, I apologize because it's not. I'm just curious how someone tells feelings from instincts.

And I'm only basing this on my thoughts because there are no cold, hard facts stating that wolves have feelings. It might not be right in some cases, but I'd say thoughts are all we have to determine whether or not they have feelings.

And you never flat-out said I was wrong, it's just you seem to think that there is no other opinion.

You can tell feelings from instincts because instincts are genetically buried deep down within them, and feelings are not :3 A good example is when a pack member is killed by a poacher, in a fight, while hunting prey, or otherwise, they howl after the pack member's death and are lethargic or seemingly "depressed" days or even weeks after the family member is lost.

I never thought that, or tried to seem that way. My apologies. There are many different opinions out there, i am just trying to help you. Perhaps further educate you with my knowledge from wolves.

[sweater]

Oh, no thanks. I'm fine with my beliefs and I don't particuarly think your are correct, and I don't know if I ever will. I do believe that they could very well be true, but I suppose we'll never know for sure.