The Wolf Debate Thread | 56 Supporters

[exorcism]

The population at the moment is around 200,000. It used to be 2 million.

I don't think that you have any right saying that they are cruel and will kill a person. Wolves are wary of humans and you are more likely to be attacked by a dog than a wolf. You have no right saying that they should be extinct - this is why I don't support people hunting wolves. It's because some of the people don't care about what they are hunting. Yes, some people are careful and I respect them for that, but there is no argument for your case.

I don't think you have anything backing you up anymore.

Actually, yes I do.

I'd like to point this out right here and now, before you continue on acting like I was saying the extinction thing as if it was a fact.
I clearly stated it was my opinion, and I'm entitled to it, just as you are to yours.
I respected yours, no matter if it seems like I did or not. I heard you out. I thought about it before I posted.
I never said they were cruel. But they will kill a person. They've killed tons of people. Attacked by dogs, yes. Killed? No. If you think about it, more people have been killed by wolves then dogs, no matter how hard some people try and force the opposite down someone's throat.

The wolves are a obstacle in life. A lot of animals are.
Humans get rid of obstacles. We're not eradicating them, we're just getting rid of them to the point where they won't be an issue anymore.
I, myself, strongly believe in taking care of anything that's in my way.
Wolves are in my way. They prevent me from trying to get my opinions out to other people without someone biting my head off and trying to shove their's down my throat and saying there's is all the more right then mine is, when it's not.

You're argument is seriously biased and invalid.
Both of our sides are.
Now, lay down the weapons. Seriously.
/end arugment.

[Umbrellas]

You are entitled to your opinion, I have no comprehension of your opinion. Perhaps I misunderstood you or something like that. I feel like it is a nasty habit of us humans to just blast away things that are "in our way" as you said.

Why should we determine that a species is getting in our way? Why is it up to us? We have killed more wolves than wolves have killed us. Why should we get rid of it? We should respect wolves and let them be. I don't support anyone killing for no reason. I don't care what they are killing, it's never okay. Getting in our way is a great excuse for killing, and I dislike it.

I'm sorry, but this is my opinion. I'm not trying to force it down your throat, but I'm just trying to make a point here.

[exorcism]

Well, let me put it this way.

A lot of people have cattle.
And wolves kill that cattle a lot more then is should happen.
A lot of people need the meat from that cattle to live. All of us can't be vegans.
A farmer kills a wolf because of that.

You get what I'm getting at?

[GlasgowSmile]

Keep in mind, wolves have a hard time adapting to human development (unlike coyotes which pretty much make themselves at home wherever they please). The ones that do stay in areas, especially those that are populated just enough to keep pocketed areas of wolves with enough space to roam are horribly subject to inbreeding.

Why are wolves least concern? There's quite a few factors. Captive breeding programs are a good example of the ability of the breed to sustain itself. In captivity, wolves will mate as young as 9 months old (as opposed to 1-2 years in the wild). Also, female wolves can have a litter every year (and unlike quite a few other wild species, such as the aforementioned coyotes, the females don't ever reach a menopausal stage, meaning they could have a litter every year up until they die and be completely fine).

[Hooligan.]

You are entitled to your opinion, I have no comprehension of your opinion. Perhaps I misunderstood you or something like that. I feel like it is a nasty habit of us humans to just blast away things that are "in our way" as you said.

Why should we determine that a species is getting in our way? Why is it up to us? We have killed more wolves than wolves have killed us. Why should we get rid of it? We should respect wolves and let them be. I don't support anyone killing for no reason. I don't care what they are killing, it's never okay. Getting in our way is a great excuse for killing, and I dislike it.

I'm sorry, but this is my opinion. I'm not trying to force it down your throat, but I'm just trying to make a point here.

Grey Wolves=not endangered. N.O.T. E.N.D.A.N.G.E.R.E.D Get a grip. Quite thinking they are endangered, and if you don't support wolf hunting, you probably shouldn't have come here in the first place. There are alot of wolf-happy threads out there you could have went to, instead of this one.

I don't support anyone killing for no reason. I don't care what they are killing, it's never okay.

[Hooligan.]

Well, let me put it this way.

A lot of people have cattle.
And wolves kill that cattle a lot more then is should happen.
A lot of people need the meat from that cattle to live. All of us can't be vegans.
A farmer kills a wolf because of that.

You get what I'm getting at?

So true! I live on a ranch, and a wolf pack came in and killed 17 of our cows one time. Didn't eat them, just killed them for fun. I don't want any of the wolf lovers to say they were going to come back later, because they would have at least eaten some of the cattle if they were going to come back later and acctually planned on eating them. Plus, apparently they knew they were there, and wolves are smart, they know the cows don't just all the sudden leave, so they could have killed anytime they want, and mind you, they killed more after that, and are still doing it.

[The wild one]

I live on a ranch, and a wolf pack came in and killed 17 of our cows one time. Didn't eat them, just killed them for fun. I don't want any of the wolf lovers to say they were going to come back later, because they would have at least eaten some of the cattle if they were going to come back later and acctually planned on eating them. Plus, apparently they knew they were there, and wolves are smart, they know the cows don't just all the sudden leave, so they could have killed anytime they want, and mind you, they killed more after that, and are still doing it.

My friend's family has a similar problem with their horses. They lost three foals (one of which was by a German bred stallion, who they can no longer use) to a small pack of wolf-coyote hybrids, which tend to be worse than pure wolves (they don't have the natural fear of humans, and they can adapt to just about anything). He got permission from the government to go out and shoot a bunch of the animals.
They only ate one of the foals they had killed and they left the other two just lying in the field. And this happened all in broad daylight, but it was so far out that no one noticed the horses freaking out until it was too late.

[Hooligan.]

Exactly, people don't get that wolves are killers. They are in the carniverous group for a reason. People think wolves only kill to eat, not true. Wolfaboos think wolves are dogs, not true. Wolves are wild animals, and if they overstep their boundary and are a risk to humans, and human's pets alike, then they need to be shot, or put into a park or something that they can't get out and can't hurt people or pets. If wolves didn't bother livestock and people, I wouldn't care about them at all. I say screw the wolves.

[Nyxeva]

Exactly!
Here, some help c:

[The wild one]

Another thing that I forgot to mention was that one of the hybrids also attacked my friend's guard dog. He's a wolf hybrid himself, but he was put through a ton of training to make him the way he is (attack on command, protect livestock, etc). He had the side of his neck torn into by one of the wolves and the only reason why it let go was because my friend's dad blew the beast's head off with a shotgun.
Poor dog has to wear a cone now so that he can't touch the wound. It's the cone of shame.