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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby The Furry Fandom » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:45 am

Eh it is a wolf. Nothing special.

I can't wrap my head around why young people love wolves so much. It gets to where it is really weird and disturbing in a sense. I feel like most do not even know anything about the animal besides "hur dur pretty walf". And then get mad when you give them facts.
Hell I've seen adults act like that. There are way more amazing creatures besides wolves out there, and ones that are much more threatened and need help. Wolves are now doing fine, and in some places are overpopulated. 'Course though, they are "wild and majestic and beautiful and intelligent and amazing need all the help to make sure they live forever because evil humans are murdering them." When I see posts about people wanting to kill humans because they hunt wolves I just sit here and think "Lol really, are you that obsessed you'd go on a mass murder to protect an animal that would eat you if it was starving and not give two craps about you saving it's life? That it doesn't even know what you are doing and can't comprehend it because it is just an animal?"

Yea ok child.

And don't even get me started on all the people who say they are actually wolves or should have been born one. I get otherkin to a point and yeah I'm sure some people are born in the wrong body but I highly doubt just because you like wolves means you're actually a wolf, every single time.
also the amount of people who have their wolves giant and black with blue eyes. You do know wolves naturally cannot have blue eyes and the ones that do have been interbred at some point in their lineage with a husky (or possibly malamute). Also no natural full blooded wolf has a pure black pelt either.
But no I doubt you knew that, walfaboo.



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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Kleinkat » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:13 am

Xylom wrote:
Eh it is a wolf. Nothing special.

I can't wrap my head around why young people love wolves so much. It gets to where it is really weird and disturbing in a sense. I feel like most do not even know anything about the animal besides "hur dur pretty walf". And then get mad when you give them facts.
Hell I've seen adults act like that. There are way more amazing creatures besides wolves out there, and ones that are much more threatened and need help. Wolves are now doing fine, and in some places are overpopulated. 'Course though, they are "wild and majestic and beautiful and intelligent and amazing need all the help to make sure they live forever because evil humans are murdering them." When I see posts about people wanting to kill humans because they hunt wolves I just sit here and think "Lol really, are you that obsessed you'd go on a mass murder to protect an animal that would eat you if it was starving and not give two craps about you saving it's life? That it doesn't even know what you are doing and can't comprehend it because it is just an animal?"

Yea ok child.

And don't even get me started on all the people who say they are actually wolves or should have been born one. I get otherkin to a point and yeah I'm sure some people are born in the wrong body but I highly doubt just because you like wolves means you're actually a wolf, every single time.
also the amount of people who have their wolves giant and black with blue eyes. You do know wolves naturally cannot have blue eyes and the ones that do have been interbred at some point in their lineage with a husky (or possibly malamute). Also no natural full blooded wolf has a pure black pelt either.
But no I doubt you knew that, walfaboo.



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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Animemice » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:20 pm

Xylom wrote:
Eh it is a wolf. Nothing special.

I can't wrap my head around why young people love wolves so much. It gets to where it is really weird and disturbing in a sense. I feel like most do not even know anything about the animal besides "hur dur pretty walf". And then get mad when you give them facts.
Hell I've seen adults act like that. There are way more amazing creatures besides wolves out there, and ones that are much more threatened and need help. Wolves are now doing fine, and in some places are overpopulated. 'Course though, they are "wild and majestic and beautiful and intelligent and amazing need all the help to make sure they live forever because evil humans are murdering them." When I see posts about people wanting to kill humans because they hunt wolves I just sit here and think "Lol really, are you that obsessed you'd go on a mass murder to protect an animal that would eat you if it was starving and not give two craps about you saving it's life? That it doesn't even know what you are doing and can't comprehend it because it is just an animal?"

Yea ok child.

And don't even get me started on all the people who say they are actually wolves or should have been born one. I get otherkin to a point and yeah I'm sure some people are born in the wrong body but I highly doubt just because you like wolves means you're actually a wolf, every single time.
also the amount of people who have their wolves giant and black with blue eyes. You do know wolves naturally cannot have blue eyes and the ones that do have been interbred at some point in their lineage with a husky (or possibly malamute). Also no natural full blooded wolf has a pure black pelt either.
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Simmarrah » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:57 pm

Wolves are beautiful, just a s a tiger is beautiful or a dolphin is beautiful. All animals, big or small, wild or domesticated are beautiful. They're here for a purpose, to fulfill their niche in nature. People find wolves to be exciting and wonderful because there is a wildness in them, something we as a society has always tried to tame, to make their own. They look at the family dog, and remember what it used to be thousands of years ago, a wolf. To some societies, wolves were a symbol of freedom, of power. The way they hunted shaped hunting techniques of Indians a long time ago.

I personally would not hunt a wolf, though I yearn to own a pelt of one. I have a foxskin and a coyote at school waiting to be skinned. I have the pelts so that every day I can look and feel the creature that once was. (And don't worry, I didn't hunt these guys, they were all road kills.) I understand and completely agree with the hunting of wolves for conservation, to reduce the population. However nature can do its own population control without human interference. When wolves come upon lean times they have smaller litters or sometimes no litters at all.

What I do not condone is the free for all competition killing of wolves, coyotes, foxes, linxes, cougars and other predators that many states have held. That is slaughter, a massacre. Hunted from helicopters that they cannot outrun and hide. Chased by dogs that they cannot escape. And you call this a sport. A good time. I call it murder.
Hunting of all predators should be limited to on foot excursions with no dogs and no superhuman aides. They deserve a chance to escape, to outsmart us. So that the next generations can be stronger and smarter as well.

Just my opinion. You may agree with it or you may not. I love wolves, and have loved wolves since I was a young child. I am not a wolfabo. I understand the role they play in nature, and how humans think of them. I know the good and the bad. And yet I see them for what they are, a beautiful creature that has a wonderful family life and amazing pack communication. I see them for what society should be, people who take care of their old and young without question, who are a strong united group without war.
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Kleinkat » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:05 pm

Simmarrah wrote:Wolves are beautiful, just a s a tiger is beautiful or a dolphin is beautiful. All animals, big or small, wild or domesticated are beautiful. They're here for a purpose, to fulfill their niche in nature. People find wolves to be exciting and wonderful because there is a wildness in them, something we as a society has always tried to tame, to make their own. They look at the family dog, and remember what it used to be thousands of years ago, a wolf. To some societies, wolves were a symbol of freedom, of power. The way they hunted shaped hunting techniques of Indians a long time ago.

I personally would not hunt a wolf, though I yearn to own a pelt of one. I have a foxskin and a coyote at school waiting to be skinned. I have the pelts so that every day I can look and feel the creature that once was. (And don't worry, I didn't hunt these guys, they were all road kills.) I understand and completely agree with the hunting of wolves for conservation, to reduce the population. However nature can do its own population control without human interference. When wolves come upon lean times they have smaller litters or sometimes no litters at all.

What I do not condone is the free for all competition killing of wolves, coyotes, foxes, linxes, cougars and other predators that many states have held. That is slaughter, a massacre. Hunted from helicopters that they cannot outrun and hide. Chased by dogs that they cannot escape. And you call this a sport. A good time. I call it murder.
Hunting of all predators should be limited to on foot excursions with no dogs and no superhuman aides. They deserve a chance to escape, to outsmart us. So that the next generations can be stronger and smarter as well.


Just my opinion. You may agree with it or you may not. I love wolves, and have loved wolves since I was a young child. I am not a wolfabo. I understand the role they play in nature, and how humans think of them. I know the good and the bad. And yet I see them for what they are, a beautiful creature that has a wonderful family life and amazing pack communication. I see them for what society should be, people who take care of their old and young without question, who are a strong united group without war.

Some forms of hunting are ways of tradition, and I respect anyone's culture. I view wolves as a viscous and powerful predator and love them for what they are and what about deer, ect? What about hunting them?
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Simmarrah » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:18 pm

Deer are usually hunted on foot or on horse back in my parts. And you are more likely to hit a deer running across the road, or see one eating the garden, or getting chased by the neighbors dog than a wolf.

And I completely agree with native hunting practices of all species. To me the Indian nation held a spiritual connection with the world, and they use methods long used by their ancestors today.
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby The Furry Fandom » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:44 pm

Simmarrah wrote:Wolves are beautiful, just a s a tiger is beautiful or a dolphin is beautiful.


Because only the "pretty animals" are important. I know that wasn't what you were meaning but omg this irks me so bad. People only want to save animals they think are cute or cuddly or pretty or related to our own pets. And while some need our help, people never mention the "lesser" liked animals.

That person who posted the Condor, that bird is one of the most endangered animals on the planet. Or sharks, 70+ species are either Vulnerable, Endangered, critically or extinct. Their species as a whole are some of the most critically endangered species of animal in the world, but dozens upon dozens of countries want them to go extinct or want to kill them solely for their fins. Nothing more. They haven't had humans to coddle them when people realized they needed help, like wolves did.

Or another fish, bluefin tuna, where all 4 true species are Vulnerable +, but people can't eat another fish and would rather hunt them to extinction. That is an animal that would literally recheck its population if we would lessen how much we eat of it.

But people would rather protect the animal related to their dog that doesn't even need help anymore. Honestly it gets depressing after awhile.

This is a list of all Critically endangered animals that are close to extinction and will be within 10 years or so.
Yeah a lot aren't pretty, and a lot are seen as "useless" like fish, insects and the animals everyone overlooks, but in some cases if just one animal goes extinct the whole ecosystem can crash.
Also, notice what isn't on there? Wolves.

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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Sadies » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:55 am

I think wolves are overate and misunderstood. They are too fantasised, they are not these amazing animals that live in packs with alpha, beta, gammas, deltas, hunters etc (It's more like that in captivity but still no), and they do not mate for life. They will mate with one wolf but if that wolf dies they will happily find another mate.

As for hunting them. No-one cares if some-one hunts an elk or hunts a bird but if it's a wolf it's automatically wrong. I don't like hunting, I don't understand how people can enjoy killing but it really annoys me how everyone is so "save the wolf" but doesn't care about any other animal.
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Simmarrah » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:19 pm

Sadies wrote:I think wolves are overate and misunderstood. They are too fantasised, they are not these amazing animals that live in packs with alpha, beta, gammas, deltas, hunters etc (It's more like that in captivity but still no), and they do not mate for life. They will mate with one wolf but if that wolf dies they will happily find another mate.


If you do a little research, watch a few documentaries like "Wolves at Our Door" and "living With Wolves" you would find this statement to be untrue. Just because people role play them a certain way, with added dynamics to the pack, does not make it so. There is an alpha, who leads the pack, and there is an omega, who entices the pack to play and is usually the scape goat. All of them are designated hunters, except whoever is babysitting at the time.
And from many of the books I have read written by people who observe wolves both in captivity and the wild have noticed that they do take life long mates. And it is usually the alphas who mate, while the pack tends to be made of mostly their offspring.
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Animemice » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:27 pm

I agree with Xylom. There is nothing special about a wolf. We need to start focusing on the animals that need our help more than wolves do.
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