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[Sadies]

Exactly, poachers cause species to go extinct/come near extinction. Once an animal makes the endangered species list, it is protected, and any people that further hunt it are poachers.

And actually, many animals such as cats, dogs, many bird species, foxes, orca and other porpoises, lions, and hyenas kill for fun/pleasure/no apparent reason.

And you don't have to understand. I'm not sick in the head, I'd appreciate if people stopped claiming that. :/
Finding hunting fun =/= being 'sick', 'disgusting', etc. and if you think so, I'd appreciate you keep your comments to yourself.
It's not the killing itself that is fun, there's many other reason as to why hunting is fun.

Poachers and hunters are the same thing. They all go out and hunt. Poachers is just a name given to those who break laws and at the time of the wolf hunt in America where all the wolves were wiped out it was legal and was actualy encouraged.

Domestic animals, yes they hunt for fun, why? Humans. For one we created domestic animals, we sharpened their hunting instinct. Domestic animals do not count in this as naturally they shouldn't exist.
As for wild animals. They will only hunt as much as they need. They NEVER hunt for fun as it takes touch needed energy. Wild animals will not waste energy on hunting for fun.

I never called you sick in the head. I did say that in general hunting for fun is horrible. I can't see how people think that pleasure is more important than a life. My opinion is that hunting for fun should be considered as murder just as killing a human because it is still taking a life.

[bearcups]

Poachers and hunters are two different kinds of people.

Hunters will get licences and only hunt when it's legal to, and when the season is open. They shoot to kill and almost always aim from the best spots that will end the animals life the fastest and cause it the least amount of pain. They also take the entire body home with them.

Poachers will illegally cause the suffering and mistreatment of wild animals to get things that they can sell. Poachers shoot to bring down an animal, but their aim, a lot of the time, is random places on the body of the animal and it can take much longer to kill them. They hack at one part of the body, then leave the entire thing to be found / rot.

Poachers =/= hunters.

[van]

Exactly, poachers cause species to go extinct/come near extinction. Once an animal makes the endangered species list, it is protected, and any people that further hunt it are poachers.

And actually, many animals such as cats, dogs, many bird species, foxes, orca and other porpoises, lions, and hyenas kill for fun/pleasure/no apparent reason.

And you don't have to understand. I'm not sick in the head, I'd appreciate if people stopped claiming that. :/
Finding hunting fun =/= being 'sick', 'disgusting', etc. and if you think so, I'd appreciate you keep your comments to yourself.
It's not the killing itself that is fun, there's many other reason as to why hunting is fun.

Poachers and hunters are the same thing. They all go out and hunt. Poachers is just a name given to those who break laws and at the time of the wolf hunt in America where all the wolves were wiped out it was legal and was actualy encouraged.

Domestic animals, yes they hunt for fun, why? Humans. For one we created domestic animals, we sharpened their hunting instinct. Domestic animals do not count in this as naturally they shouldn't exist.
As for wild animals. They will only hunt as much as they need. They NEVER hunt for fun as it takes touch needed energy. Wild animals will not waste energy on hunting for fun.

I never called you sick in the head. I did say that in general hunting for fun is horrible. I can't see how people think that pleasure is more important than a life. My opinion is that hunting for fun should be considered as murder just as killing a human because it is still taking a life.

Nope. They're not. They're not even close to the same thing. To add on to what aeiou said, here are ten good reasons someone would be considered a poacher;
1) Because hunting of the species is out of season.
2) Because the poacher has no hunting liscense.
3) Because the animal is a protected species.
4) Because the method of taking is not allowed for the particular species. [ex; trapping, when you are supposed to gun them down]
5) Because hunting is not allowed in the area where the incident occurs.
6) Because illegal baiting is being utilized.
7) Because the animal was not properly tagged.
8) Because numerical limits imposed by law were exceeded. [more animals taken than allowed]
9) Because an animal of the wrong sex was killed when hunting is restricted to a particular sex for managment purposes.
10) Because unethical practices occured in the taking of the animal.
Hunting, on the other hand is legal, and is a necessary part of managing and insuring the survival of our indiginious game resources. Hunters are ethical, eat what they kill, and respect all applicable laws.
Poaching causes species extinction, no hunting. If all laws are respected, hunters only take a the ammount of animals legal, kill them humanely, hunt in places where it is legal, hunt in season, have a license/hunt for pest control, and kill the right animals to make sure that the specis still thrives. [the right sex, etc.]

And actually, the wolves were close to extinction because of poaching; hunting couldn't possibly do that. There is a very low number of wolves that can be legally killed, here a chart;

Aug 30 - Mar 31

40

Aug 30 - Mar 31

Motorized hunting restrictions apply in some units. Please see Page 70 of the big game brochure.

Aug 30 - Mar 31

60

Aug 30 - Mar 31

25

Motorized hunting restrictions apply in some units. Please see Page 70 of the big game brochure.

Aug 30 - Dec 31

10

Motorized hunting restrictions apply in some units. Please see Page 70 of the big game brochure.

Aug 30 - Dec 31

30

Motorized hunting restrictions apply in some units. Please see Page 70

That is for all of the people hunting in certain locations. You have to buy tags to hunt wolves [and all animals, unless it's pest control] to make sure you aren't hunting over the limit.


Many animals may not hunt for the sole purpose of it being fun, but they do find killing fun. Animals often play with their food, yes, wild ones do too.
Orcas and other porpoises, felines, dogs, hyenas, fox, etc./what I already listed all play with their food before eating it sometimes [if they even eat it] just like humans.
Humans hunt, find it fun, and then use the animal afterwards.
Animals hunt, play with their food, and then sometimes use the animal afterwards.
If hunters are murderers, wouldn't that make animals murderers too?

And if it is murder, I'll be happy to be called a serial killer then. ^^

[Sadies]

So basically a poacher hunts animals illegally as I said.

I was not on about today life. I Amon about when people started moving to America in the 19th century (I think). They legally went out on a hunting spree to remove all wolves.

People do not always use the animal after. For example, in the UK one million Phesanats are releasedinto Brittish country to be hunted. Out of those exotic species only ten percent are shot and those ten percent end up being disposed.

There is a difference of animals playing with their food. They hunt, play with it then eat it as that is an animal practicing hunting. It's not killing for fun.

[van]

Illegally, often inhumanely, over the limit, and many other things.
So no, hunting is not even close to poaching as I've said.

Yes, and wolves as a whole aren't endangered any more. Hunting has limits now, unlike it did a long time ago. There's plenty of people that want to keep the wolves, that's why there's hunting limits now a days.

Not all hunters leave dead animals just lying there. All good hunters would take their prize.

Actually, all of the animals I listed are known to leave dead animals just lying there, cats do this a lot - I know from experience.
Our cats often go out and catch mice just to play with them for an hour before leaving them. They love to play with dead things, one time my cat even fetched a pigeon I'd killed to start playing with it.
It's not killing for the sole purpose of it being fun, like I said. The same goes for hunting.
Animals find hunting fun, they even play with their prize. It's not the killing itself that's fun.
The same goes for hunting. It's pretty much the same thing, animals do it. I don't understand how animals can toss around their prey and play with it alive for hours, but god forbid a human shoots and animal because 'it should be considdered murder'.
I will forever find hunting fun, nothing will change my opinion.

[Sadies]

But illegal hunting is poaching and so in that respect it is correct.

Maned wolves and red wolves are still endangered and are sti illegally hunted.

It shouldn't matter if an animal is endangered or not. Wolves are still needed, there still are not enough wolves. Wolves are needed for the echo system and we need as many as possible. There are no wolves left in the UK and there are to many seers and they are destroying our environment. That's what happened with Elk in yellowstones until they brung the wolves back.

As I said domestic animals do not count. Domestic animals have been bred and changed by humans, the don't act compleatly like their wild relatives. Wild animals, yes they play with their food but they still eat it after, no animal except humans kill for fun! That's a fact and something I learned from college where I study Animal Management.

[bearcups]

Actually, a lot of animals kill for fun. Take, for example, young predatory animals who are handed young prey animals by their parents. The cubs / pups will kill the young prey animal and see it as a game - then there is surplus killing, where a predatory animal kills more animals than it needs, and often it's just for fun.

[Sadies]

They are not killing for fun. They are practicing to hunt, it is an essential part of their life to learn to hunt.

[bearcups]

In order for the pups / cubs to learn, they play. They play with the prey animal but they end up killing the prey animal through their game.

[Sadies]

Yes, but they do not kill purely for fun, they have reasons for it, that is how they learn. And animals do not think the way we do. Humans know better. Animals don't know.