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[Schnuchi]

I support wolves, can I join? :3

[Soruc]

@.:Mook:. I truthfully say this from the bottom of my heart, that if I were a farmer, I would think exactly as I think now. The wolves rightfully were there first, and of course they'd see the livestock as prey animals. We could perhaps move, or put up a large fence. But I would never tolerate the killing of wolves, just because they killed some livestock. It's the food-chain.

Sorry to awkwardly hop in here, just hijacking the conversation c: I'm Kat, hello!

I see you happen to like wolves. Good lad, I love 'em too! However, we have to always look at both sides of the story, and, in this case, my client is the farmer, and I'd like to speak up for him.

Farmer Joe owns some cows. These cows are sold for a good chunk of cash a pop, cash that goes towards Joe's family and putting food on the table. So far, he's been doing great, he's had a good year.

But, alas, one fateful night a group of wolves manages to eek in through the fences and take out almost half of his herd, not to mention a cow that had been born sickly, the cow that he had spent hundreds of dollars in medicine and care and grew attached to. This has most definitely taken a huge chunk out of his profits and has made putting food on the table a heck of a lot harder. Farmer Joe is at a loss. The government gives him a bit of money to make up for it, but it's only a fraction of what the cows would've sold for and he is pretty much broke at this point.

Some may protest: "Build a better fence!" Wolves are wily creatures, them, and they know how to jump and dig, meaning you need to have a fence both respectable in height and depth. Materials and the installation (can you imagine digging the trenches for it?) of such a fence is quite an expensive venture. Joe, having just lost half his profits, most definitely does not have that kind of money right now.

And yet, more say: "It doesn't have to be deep! Just line it with stone!" Well, stone is also an incredibly expensive material to build with. Let's just say it's $15 per square foot, and we're lining a farm that's a square mile in size. If I did my math right, that's $316,800 just in stone alone! Not to mention the actual fence and installation costs. Plus, just one foot-wide lining surely isn't enough to keep the beasties out.

Moving is perhaps out of the question entirely, seeing as that would cost an insane amount of money, as well as the displacement of families.

The way I see it, no one objects when one wolf pack takes over another pack's territory. There is no 'they were here first' (seeing as we evolved all around a similar time, right?), the fact is that we are here, now. And right now Farmer Joe can't send his children to college because wolves are overpopulated in his area and killing off his main source of income.

I also saw earlier that you said, "Would you rather save a couple hundred dollars or a beautiful animal?" Or something like that, my memory's not the best and I'm far too lazy to check at this hour, forgive me. I find sheep just as beautiful as wolves. I don't see why a wolf's life is more important than the life of my animal. If a wolf came and attacked my dog, cat, or even my mouse I'd try and scare it off, and, if that didn't work, grab a gun. Animals are income and friends to families, that is something not to be taken lightly.

You might say it's the food chain, but why can't we protect our standing in it? Why do we have to let the wolves eat whatever and whenever they please? Why can't we fight back? Why are we not allowed to secure ourselves? Because the unfortunate truth is that when wolves grow overpopulated, nature will not be able to thin them out anymore. They can and will adapt, and will learn how to live in urban areas, eating trash, livestock, pets, and, eventually, if no measures are taken, children and people. I've got nothing against wolves, mind you, if I did I wouldn't be on this site, but it's happened with coyotes across the U.S. and bears in Yellowstone. It can happen with wolves, too. If there is not something to keep the apex predator in check, they will adapt and move on. Unfortunately, it's nature.

Anyway, best be off now, I hope you've read through and enjoyed my response c: It's been a lovely chat.

I love you even more now.

[Dovahkiin]

^ I see your point, but wolves kill livestock because they and they're prey are being driven off their land because of human development. Wolves are animals. They don't know that -insert farm animal here- provides income for a family. They don't know that what they're doing is wrong in our eyes. A wolf just tries to survive. And if they aren't eating meat from the kill, then they're either training themselves, or training their pups.

Just my input. :3 Jumped in like Kat did... I'll jump back out now.

[Cinn]

^ I see your point, but wolves kill livestock because they and they're prey are being driven off their land because of human development. Wolves are animals. They don't know that -insert farm animal here- provides income for a family. They don't know that what they're doing is wrong in our eyes. A wolf just tries to survive. And if they aren't eating meat from the kill, then they're either training themselves, or training their pups.

Just my input. :3 Jumped in like Kat did... I'll jump back out now.

Thus, we can shoot them.

Humans are more important then wolves, we will do whatever it takes to survive. If the wolf doesn't know what it's doing is wrong to us, too bad.

[texaco]

^ I see your point, but wolves kill livestock because they and they're prey are being driven off their land because of human development. Wolves are animals. They don't know that -insert farm animal here- provides income for a family. They don't know that what they're doing is wrong in our eyes. A wolf just tries to survive. And if they aren't eating meat from the kill, then they're either training themselves, or training their pups.

Just my input. :3 Jumped in like Kat did... I'll jump back out now.

Then, in the same way, I don't see why we can't protect our standing in the food chain as well, why we can't fight against the wolves and coyotes and various other sundry (love that word, might be using it a lot now, look out) predators and keep our income safe. After all, we're trying to survive too here, are we not?

Aha! Conversation-hijackers, high five! I should start a club.

[Liru Kaulitz]

All new members, welcome! And what are we talking about, guys? I missed alot. :3

[Soruc]

All new members, welcome! And what are we talking about, guys? I missed a lot. :3

We're currently talking about shooting wolves if they kill livestock.

[Xelly]

Ahh, interesting topic.
Well, I don't have a good reason, but I do know that humans do have the right to shoot wolves if they please.
Usually it's for a reason though, sometimes it's in a hunting game to down the amount of wolf population if the wolf population grows to big. Or if the wolves are eating livestock.
Sorry for the short answer, hope it makes sense atleast.

[Ki-Mono]

Wolves are my fave animal ever! i must join!
(i know you don't have to make a forum to be part of it (as far as i know) but i will make one anyways, ok?)

User: ilovewolfs1
Why i like Wolves: i think they are one of the beaitfulest animals God ever made! they are so beaitful, and their howl is wonderful.
Do i like hunting: no!!! i hate any kind of hunting! i'm not even a fan of fishing!
What my fave kind of wolf: i'm not sure. i like them all really! but i guess the Gray Wolf.
Will i follow the rules?: i will try my very best!

P.S. i know a online game website all about wolves. is it ok if it's a game website? if so, heres the link...
http://wolfquest.org/

And here is a link to a cool adoption wolf thing, right here on cs...
(right now it's closed cuz the owner is very busy)

[Ki-Mono]

i've never heard of the breed Ethiopian. i guess thats just how indangered they are
(sorry, i have trubble with spelling)