operation p.a.w. ;; don't let the howls stop

[Sadies]

That's because I'm on my phone and it's glitchy pluss I have bad dyslexia. And when you are telling someone that they are not what they are it is not very nice. I haven problem with anyonesbeliefs, they can think what they like but when someone starts telling me I am not what I am then that's when I get peed off. And she stated I am not an animal rights actavist because I have pets, for one she doesn't even know means two yes they can have pets and everyone supports different views.

[sidereus]

Animal rights in general does not agree with pet ownership, since it would be considered a form of slavery.
animal rights = animals given same rights as humans.

But individual supporters can agree with only certain parts of it. I had mistaken you for being a full animal rights advocate, given you had posted you supported animal rights and didn't specify which parts you did not agree with.
My apologies.

However, for a college student I would expect a bit of understanding, or at least not acting rude and immaturely
(the "if you don't like my opinion, back off" attitude). :I

thank you demotivated :s

[Sadies]

I'm sorry but my entire life people have been stating to me things to destroy my beliefs and I still get it everyday. I am really fed up with it. Honestly I don't find just myself being rude, others are too by saying I am all wrong when 1 they don't know me, 2 I know what I'm going on about.

For a start this is nothing to do with wolves at all and I did not start the entire convosation on this topic, I simply commented lightly where as someone else brought it up into a topic which wasn't needed.

[Ourpawprints]

sorry to butt in here but you're not suppose to say you're age.

[Sadies]

Oops, sorry. Thanks for letting mr know.

[Alfor]

Everyone believes in different things, and you'll just have to accept that. Please don't argue just because their opinion is different than yours.
* 1st of all, Sadie didn't call anybody rude/mean, it's called Self-defense.
* 2nd of all, who cares if somebody has a different opinion than you, if you don't agree, ignore them and move on with your life.
* Why waste time arguing about who's right. It's like elementrary school all over again with a bunch of little kids arguing, thinking they are right and the other is wrong. Nonsense! Can't we all get along without pushing each other's buttons?

Animal Rights: I don't know exactly what that means, but I let my pets out whenever I can so they can roam around and have fun. But they have to go back behind the gate if they crawl under the couch (thats only daisy -.-) or if they look like their about to go on the floor even though I just let them out. XD They have the same rights as us basicly. I also let my rabbit out a lot so he can hop around and get some exersise to.

* I believe that just because you have a pet, doesn't make them a slave. Slaves do the work for you, most animals do not do stuff for you. Can they wash dishes or do laundary? No. Can they clean the house? No, they usually make it messier, then you have to clean up more, if you don't mind.

** I believe my dogs and bunny have quite enough freedom. They have a big enough fenced in place, so they can go in and out of the house when they want to while we are home (My dad is home most of the time while I'm at school and my mom is at work, but she gets out at around noon because she goes in really early), and my rabbit has his own, roomy pen to hop around in and nibble on grass. I have to watch him most of the time because of the huge hawks/falcons that live in my area. When I start to see them fly around or circle my house it's time to put Obi back up before they swoop down and try to take him.

*** That is why we have certain rules and settlements for my dogs and bunny. We make sure they are safe, well fed, and have a happy life. What more can you ask when you have someone to love you?

Anyways......... LETS GET BACK ON TOPIC = TALK ABOUT WOLVES! XD

[Geralt&Ciri<3]

Well said 火Ƭσяι Ƨκʏωαℓκɛя and yes lets get back on topic!
I find it hard to believe that wolves are making prey animals go extinct because of over-population-see website
Here
And even if they are ther are other ways of controlling wolf over-population-suchas darting them and de-sexing.
but the main reasons against that wold probably be it's cheaper kill them and Some people wold very likely prefer to kill them for sport/trophies and livestock protection etc. as for sport/trophies I find it completely unacceptable-and humans hunt wolf-prey aninals! As for livestock protection ther are other ways-see link above also recorded howling can work-more on that later
Bottome line wolf protection whithout killing which is what this this thread is about right?

[van]

Killing over populated wolves is protecting them. ;3 and this thread is about protecting them. 

You can't just go out, capture a ton of wolves, and relocate/desex them. 
One issue would be money. 
Another would be stress-the animal could possibly die of stress and that wouldn't help at all. 
And yet another would be the fact that sometimes you can't just wait for over population to blow over. You have to get rid of them immediately I'm some cases, and desexing/relocating are both very slow processes. 

Wolf overpopulation .
Let's just say I live in one of the states that they mentioned.
And more.
Contains pictures of dead wolves. Click at your own risk. ^^ 

[WildAnna]

Van, if you are so smart,tell me how would you feel if you were a wolf.You would just live silent,then a bunch of animals called "hunters" would come and kill you,your family and the pups telling other people about how smart they are, because they guessed to kill wolves to low their population!Even after they will kill you they will even talk about population!You know what,wolves were on the earth millions years ago and cope with population without "smart hunters"!I understand if there were no other food to eat, then it would be okay.But people have it!So it means that we ARE not allowed to kill ANY animal without valid reason, not population! (liru, sorry if I'm being too rude,I just really like animals especially wolves and I don't see difference between killing animal and killing the human)
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I have a question.How we actually going to help wolves?By donating somewhere?

[sidereus]

Van, if you are so smart, tell me how would you feel if you were a wolf. You would just live silent, then a bunch of animals called "hunters" would come and kill you, your family, and the pups, telling other people about how smart they are, because they guessed to kill wolves to lower their population! Even after they kill you, they will talk about population! You know what? Wolves were on the earth millions years ago and cope with population without "smart hunters"! I understand if there were no other food to eat, then it would be okay. But people have food! So it means that we are NOT allowed to kill ANY animal without valid reason, not population! (liru, sorry if I'm being too rude, I just really like animals, especially wolves, and I don't see the difference between killing animals and killing humans)
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I have a question. How we actually going to help wolves? By donating somewhere?


you do realize that's what hunting seasons are for, right? to avoid killing mothers and pups? if mothers/pups are killed, that is not hunting, that is poaching. there is a big difference.

also, just curious, did you even read the sites linked by Van? :|

we don't "guess" hunting overpopulated wolves helps them. we know it does.
as I have said before, would you prefer wolves to slowly starve to death or in some cases, even resort to cannibalism, rather than a few wolves taking a quick, generally painless and instantly fatal, bullet to their head?

also, why is it that wolves can kill animals, sometimes needlessly, but god-forbid if we kill something?