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Re: CSSC: Chicken Smoothie Science Club

Postby Autochthon Scion » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:06 pm

Seraphwolf wrote:Also Auto, I still don't understand what your siggy is about and it's bugging me. Eta's usually used for efficiency, so is it some kind of energy acceptance thing? I could cheat but I refuse to xD.


You could cheat, but I had to go through a few presentations to find the graph I wanted so it might take a while, so I'll tell you, but you won't get any cookies...and I'll have to think of something else to have there instead lol.

Eta in this case isn't efficiency, but is pseudorapidity. In the graph, different experiments are listed, with the bottom four being the main LHC experiments. The pseudorapidity is a measurement of angular acceptance by the detector. From the formula for it, a value of 0 corresponds to an angle of 90 degrees and infinity corresponds to an angle of 0. This angle is the angle between the direction of travel of a particle and the beamline (I presume measured from the interaction point of the detector (the interaction point is where the beams crossover and collide)).

It is interesting because both ATLAS and CMS are designed as hermetic detectors which means the effectively seal the interaction point within the detector. They are interested in looking for the high energy collisions which will hopefully throw up signals of the Higgs boson and other exotic particles. In order to access the highest energy collisions possible, one needs to consider that the momenta carried by protons is actually subdivided between its constituent quarks. If both beams of protons are circulating with the same energies (which they do at the LHC) it means the highest energy collisions between two protons will happen when the interacting quarks are both carrying a large amount of that energy. Therefore, it is unlikely that a large energy collision will result in daughter particle being emitted in the forwards or backwards directions (as that would require a net gain in momenta parallel to the beam axis) and instead they will be emitted with very large angles to the beam line, ie transverse to it. This is why ATLAS and CMS do not go very far into the forward region when we examine the graph's range of pseudorapidity.

The LHCb experiment, however, is not as interested in detecting as high energy as possible particles, but is more interested in hadron decays involving b and c quarks. At the LHC b quarks are formed in pairs and due to the QCD effects (which I do not really know about) the predominant process is gg->b b-bar (where g are gluons). This process happens to produce the b quark pairs very close to the beam line in the forwards and backwards direction. Therefore to access as much of the B-physics data as possible, the LHCb has been designed as a "forward arm spectrometer" which means that it has a large acceptance for particles produced close to the beam line in the forwards direction, which is why the LHCb has a much larger pseudorapidity acceptance level in the forwards region than any of the other experiments.

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Re: CSSC: Chicken Smoothie Science Club

Postby Scarf » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:14 pm

Seraphwolf wrote:If you had unlimited funds (and people to help), what would you research or perform experiments on? As sensible or whacky as you like ;'D

BRINGING THE EXTINCT CARNIVORES AND MEGAFAUNA OF AUSTRALIA BACK TO LIFE.

And, you know, bulking up our populations of dying-horribly animals :/ Too many of them. CLONE ALL THE ANIMALS.

Seriously, Australia would be so much cooler (and potentially more sustainable, from a we-have-too-many-kangaroos perspective) if we had our carnivorous megafauna back. And Australia needs more animals that can kill you.

And I want to pat a thylacoleo.
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Re: CSSC: Chicken Smoothie Science Club

Postby Khisa » Thu May 12, 2011 4:59 am

Some interesting research (at least to me, my experiences are alike):

Social Class, Contextualism, and Empathic Accuracy
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Re: CSSC: Chicken Smoothie Science Club

Postby Seraphwolf » Tue May 17, 2011 8:54 am

Khisa, that's pretty interesting. I'd want to know about the mechanism for that though. Are those that are more driven towards climbing the social ladder less empathetic for example, or is it a necessity for survival, or related to the type of work people do? The UK still uses a class based system to define people so it would be interesting to see how that effects people in fundamental ways.

Came here to post this : they may have found a planet that's capable of having liquid water. As in it's possible, with the right climate model, that it could sustain life. Maybe. Just going to read through the paper now (it's behind a college login screen) and will report back. W00t!
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Re: CSSC: Chicken Smoothie Science Club

Postby smileyranger » Tue May 17, 2011 12:26 pm

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Re: CSSC: Chicken Smoothie Science Club

Postby Toxi+Bbun » Tue May 17, 2011 1:15 pm

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Re: CSSC: Chicken Smoothie Science Club

Postby Hyaenidae » Tue May 17, 2011 2:23 pm

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Re: CSSC: Chicken Smoothie Science Club

Postby Scarf » Tue May 17, 2011 7:31 pm

Most mammals only have two cones in their eyes (though nocternal animals may have less). It's kind of primates and a few oddball mammals that have three (and we don't all have the same three). Birds usually have four cones (far better colour vision than us), as do many fish, reptiles and amphibians. I think there're some birds with five cones too.
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Re: CSSC: Chicken Smoothie Science Club

Postby Khisa » Wed May 18, 2011 2:08 am

Seraphwolf wrote:Khisa, that's pretty interesting. I'd want to know about the mechanism for that though. Are those that are more driven towards climbing the social ladder less empathetic for example, or is it a necessity for survival, or related to the type of work people do? The UK still uses a class based system to define people so it would be interesting to see how that effects people in fundamental ways.
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Unfortunately I could only read another (German) article regarding that and it was quite short. The difference was made in the amount of income the parents of the tested students had. It was explained that the higher amount of empathy in financially less equipped students was a result from the need to cooperate with others compared to students of rich families.
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Re: CSSC: Chicken Smoothie Science Club

Postby Seraphwolf » Wed May 18, 2011 6:47 am

Oooh that makes a lot of sense. In my rather jaded experience I can relate to that finding :staring at you, entitled and rather drunk fresher when I was working in catering : :|

Another link that I think everyone should check out - questions asked by 6th graders; answered by scientists. It'll be updating tomorrow, too. Some of these questions are really good and the English is simple to make it easier to understand. :D
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