CAAA 20, Closed, No more posting!

[Lady Sif]

Just a suggestion for next year's SS, maybe have tiers like Plumies does, so people get grouped with other people who plan on doing the same amount of work. Because the current values are pretty vague.

It's an idea but I don't think it's really a solution... Because what if something happens and you then can't meet that extended minimum?
What if you have less time than you thought, or you struggle to get art of their characters? Plus it's additional pressure on the individual.
I'm just saying, it seems like it could have more problems to it than everyone is looking at.

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I'm sorry but isn't the idea of SS to gift others? Doing a tier system would make it more about receiving. And some people who join in do their very best and that should be respected instead of tiering it as not good enough. That and part of SS is the surprise. You don't know if you have that legendary artist or not as your SS. If you teir things you take away that surprise and those people who arnt the richest or best at art will never get that shot at art from say Talonex or Sadbloom or serbronn ect. It's not about the quality or number of art you receive but instead it's about making someone elses holiday special. Tiering it will make it so that the people with the most resources will get SSes that they could aford to trade or buy art from any day of the year

The tier system has worked so far for other people as far as I've seen. The one I'm basing it on is the Plumie SS that I'm doing.

The ranges would be pretty wide, so that people would be able to have a good idea of what they can do, so even if they can't do as much as they would like, they could still fit the range. You could also have more time then you thought and go past the range limit, it wouldn't move you up a tier or anything, you'd just be going way over the top and being nice.

Nobody would be tiered as "not good enough", tiering would only effect the amount of art you get or give. It wouldn't take away the surprise of anything, you'd just be able to know that you're going to be getting the same amount of effort you put in.

I know everyone is saying "It's about giving, not receiving", but I don't think that it's fair that some people end up giving 10-20 pieces and getting bare minimum work in return.

Removed.

Doesn't it make more sense for people who plan on doing a ton of work also having a ton of work done for them? Because I feel like that would be a better idea then someone doing a ton of work and getting the smallest amount of work possible in return.

I have removed my piece on how I felt, but I would like to state I personally will not be doing SS next year and I do not plan on staying with CAAA either.

[whisky]

Truthfully, if there was a tier system then I know that I would refrain from joining in on the SS. It just seems.. Unappealing. If anything, maybe bump up the numbers to 4 fullbodies and 1 headshot minimum. That sounds pretty fair. I just know that I don't want to have a high minimum ethier. I mean, things come up rather unexpectedly all the time. I think it's fine as it is but if anyone's changing anything I would go with the 4 fullbodies and 1 headshot minimum idea.

[wyrdwurm]

Anyone who did the SS for CAAA please read this now
I have now seen this happen twice plus got a complaint and may I say I am extreamly disapointed in some of you. It's Christmas or Christmas eve for most people so I expect EVERYONE to be polite and certious. If you do not like your SS gifts you DO NOT say that here where everyone can read it and make your gifter feel bad. Be happy you got something in the first place. As said earlier it's not about receiving so don't put others down by trashing their gifts infront of all the CAAA. Think about how you would feel if the person you gifted posted here that they don't think your gifts are good enough. Now from this moment on I hope not to see any more complaints on here about any gifts.

For those of you who have stated your appreciation no matter the quality of art I wish to personally thank you all.

Because this is the last post on this page I will repost if I see this disrespect again

please respect your gifter. If you have smothing meen or rude to say of them do not say it here. If I must I will talk to Wes about giving warnings. What you call the bare minimum may not be the bare minimum to the person who gifted you, keep this in mind

[Sansa Stark]

I personally think you should be grateful for every piece of art you get. Didn't get that much? At least you got some, sometimes people don't end up getting any at all. I spent a lot of time getting my ss gifts, but honestly if my ss got me one thing I would be so grateful. Why? Because they put their time and effort into it, and they thought of me.

Also it IS NOT okay to rant about your SS publicly. You don't know, they could have been very busy and tried their best to get you stuff, they could have had a lot of stress going on. It's plain disrespectful and hurtful.

In happier news, I did get a new mantibab yesterday <3 I'll make a big post with the Christmas gifts I got when I get my ss gifts <3 <3 Which I am really looking forward to! :3 I love you ss!



by Phloxebutt. <3 I am so excited to develop her, I love her so so much ;O;

[Kazoo]

@Buttermaster:
OMG she's beautiful I love the colours <3

And I must agree, I wasn't able to get much done either,
only just over the minimum because I had a lot of stress
going on with buying RL presents and some other personal
things with finding myself and sexuality etc. And I would
hate to see the person I'm gifting posting publicly about
how their disappointed about what they got. It would
make me feel terrible.

[Rooster Cult]

I just want to say that the their system may be fair, but it's too complicated. I often don't join events like that because of how complicated they are. It also sounds too strict, like I am not able to gift someone what I want to, but what I have to. But I do like the increased art limit.

[ki-neko animura]

I truthfully think this all needs to stop since it is pretty much just clogging and spamming the thread. If you see it then ignore it, we don't need anymore rants, thoughts, etc.

To make this relevant I got some art from Igneous-dragon! I have more coming too!

[spacegay]

Okay guys WELP!
I was making my pm for my ss but um.... CS glitched and most messages from the past month were deleted, so if we did an art trade please resend your half because I got them a good 10 pieces of art and can only find 2 and I'm a bit desperate! Please help

[RaistlinAgaric]

I know everyone is saying "It's about giving, not receiving", but I don't think that it's fair that some people end up giving 10-20 pieces and getting bare minimum work in return.

That happened to me this year, I spent a lot of time and resources getting art for Staz, and while I liked making them happy, it really sucked for me to then find out that my SS had done the bare minimum for me. And this is from someone who actually has amazing art abilities. Honestly with the effort I put in and the huge letdown I got, it really made me not want to do SS again next year.

Doesn't it make more sense for people who plan on doing a ton of work also having a ton of work done for them? Because I feel like that would be a better idea then someone doing a ton of work and getting the smallest amount of work possible in return.

Alright, I've been watching this discussing slowly growing all day, and I think I'm about ready to properly add my two cents in on the matter.

The nice thing about SS is that it gives the chance for people who don't have or can't get as much to finally be given a bit more. I remember last year, I was SS for someone who had just joined CAAA maybe a month or two before. She didn't have too too much in the ways of characters or art, so I took the time to create a design that she would absolutely adore, and I helped her get as much art as I could afford for her characters!

I didn't get too much from my SS, but that didn't matter to me, because now, the person that I was SS for can afford beautiful characters and lovely art. This is a time of year where people put aside their their art skills, their amazing characters, and how much they can afford to just give to each other what they can, regardless of how poor or rich they are.

This year, I fell into hard times right after I joined the SS. But I did my darned best to make sure that I was able to make my person happy, so I tried to go for quality over quantity. Sure, I probably didn't get nearly as much as they get their SS, and I feel bad about it! But I tried my hardest, and that's what matters! I don't care how much I get! I don't care if I get forgotten again this year because if I do, at least I remembered my person and I was able to get them things, no matter how little it was.

I get it. People say it's not about the receiving, but everyone knows that it is nice to get the art and designs. It is a joy to see those PMs come in because it makes you feel special and that you matter. Sometimes, it can be a bit disappointing when you see the bare minimum. But you know what? You don't blame it on your SS! The fact that they gave you anything at all and remembered you and cared to get you anything at all should be enough.

We shouldn't weigh the SS on how much or how little you are given. We should weigh it on how much we appreciate our gifts. If someone isn't able to be thankful for their gifts, then that's their own fault. Not the person giving the art. It's hard when you can't afford very much. It's difficult when you don't have very much to go off of and you have to play the guessing game sometimes and just pray they like it.

But in the end, it's all the same. People who are dedicated to getting fifty pieces of art for their SS and people who can only afford about three or four. The point is that they want to give. They are participating in this event because they want to give something to someone! They want to make someone feel special by giving them art and designs. And that's an amazing thing! So why should we try to make it segregated by classing people. Because that's what it will be. In the end, the people who are unable to afford much will have to go into the lower tiers and the amazing artists that are able to afford more will go in the higher tiers. And then we'll enter bureaucratic nonsense that i won't get into but my point is that we should be thankful of what we are given regardless of how much or how little.


*huffs a sigh* and I'm sorry for my rant, but this was really ticking me off, as I am someone that has to work off of a tight budget.

[Fantelle]

Agreed, stop bashing your Secret Santa's (*looks angrily at certain people*).

They are the only ones who will know if they got you the amount of art they could have gotten you, and you personally have no right to judge that. They could have been busy, sick, stressed, working etc. Don't forget that the exams are right before Christmas, as well as the flu and many other sicknesses. And I'm not even talking about personal problems right now, the amount of people battling with mental disorders especially around winter-time is huge. I could keep going all day, and there are millions of reasons why someone "didn't get you those 20 pieces of art you wanted". Sorry for ranting, this is only aimed at a very small amount of people in this thread, as the rest of you are being extremely polite and sweet. Thank you for that! <3

Do. Not. Judge. Others. Please.