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Re: The Artist Army

Postby MacGyver » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:52 am

      @Nix- Wow that looks great! (Way better than I could do!) Your anatomy is so perf OuO I can't really help with the line colors though, since I don't really draw in color. Sorry!

      @boat- I really like the pencil solid. ^^

      @Whisky- I have absolutely no critique O.O That looks fantastic! By any chance, do you have an art shop? I really like your style!

      @Stonefly- You did great for only your second time drawing a human! The only thing I would suggest is when you make your lines, do it very lightly. Then when you're ready to start in on the shading, cross hatch the edges instead of just making lines. You want to give the edge an almost "soft" look and not so harsh.
      And for the eye, here are a few good tutorials to help you out. c:
      http://www.deviantart.com/art/Eye-Tutorial-341767732
      http://www.deviantart.com/art/realistic ... -216423787

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      I drew my first sheltie and first merle a little while back. If I could get any critique at all on it, I'd be indebted. c:
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Re: The Artist Army

Postby Zoker » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:58 am

@MacGyver : Wow, that has got to be the most detailed puppy art I am seeing! I love the texture you have used for the fur to make it look shinny. Th only thing I would suggest is the eyes look a tad bit tiny for the head, just a little. Otherwise, its perfect!

@Stonefly: I really like it! The face and armor shading look really realistic. However the armor lines look a bit wobbly and clumsy to me, especially the head part. And as for the eyes, I should say that all eyes, irrespective of age, have some lines around them. Like a faint line beneath each eye to suggest that the eyes are actually not in the same flat level as of the rest of your face. Also the deep line between the eyebrow and the eye. Example : click

@Whisky: Extremely cute art! I really like the orange-black-white color combination. The pose is funny too but I don't think hind legs bend in that angle.

@boat : I would go for the solid shading as somehow the line-shading doesn't seem really prominent to me. You could make it a bit more dark and dense. But then that's because I have a fondness for solid shading. :P

@Nix : Looks perfect to me! Love the style and the character as well. I don't have any critique for art just a bunch of flowery praises. :lol:

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Re: The Artist Army

Postby NinthWolf » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:42 am

@MacGyver Thats a lovely drawing! What an adorable sheltie.I'd have to agree with zoker, the eyes do look a tad small for the face but the fur detail is simply fantastic, I love the different tones of shading you have put in to accentuate shadow in places and less in others.

@Zoker I'm not all that good with human art although from what I can see it looks pretty impressive! I think the nose line may go a little too high up the face, perhaps a little dash and curve to show the tip of the nose? I think you've done the legs very well and the shading is excellent.
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Re: The Artist Army

Postby The_Tide_Keeper » Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:10 pm

@Zoker, that looks awesome. Ref sheets are always a pain and you made it look great. If it were me, I would stretch her thighs out some. They're a lot longer than what feels comfortable when you're drawing. They're (usually) at least the length of the torso, I usually draw them and then skew them so that they're long enough. They can be noticeably longer than the calf of the leg too on some people.
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Re: The Artist Army

Postby jettpackblves » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:36 am

@zoker;
i'm not usually one for fan characters but this one seems pretty decent. i'd def be interested in learning some of her back story and how she became a hunter and what caused those scars. what's the key for? lots of questions come to mind, hah. it's a fantastic show you're basing her off of, make the story good! c:
art wise, i agree with the above in that the legs need to be stretched out more. the torso is a good length, but people should generally be about 6/7 (sometimes 8 for males) heads high to be proportionate. also the size of the hands should be about the size of the face. keep anatomy in mind when you're drawing humans- i find that it's really easy to make things look really off!
as for the sheet itself, i know you're trying to make it look torn up to fit the theme and all that, but to be honest it feels like some wasted space. reference sheets should convey all the necessary information without it feeling overwhelming, which this one does. it looks a bit cramped, and if it were spread out a bit more it could be a lot more pleasant. maybe add a rougher texture to the background to give it that edgy feel?


as for myself, i'm looking for a general critique. anatomy, mostly, but anything is welcome. a red-line would be fantastic if anyone's willing to take the time! the left side of the face looks really wrong and i can't figure out how to fix it lol. just for reference, the species is a jbd. thank you!

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Re: The Artist Army

Postby kirill » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:36 am

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Re: The Artist Army

Postby MacGyver » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:48 am

Zoker wrote:
@MacGyver : Wow, that has got to be the most detailed puppy art I am seeing! I love the texture you have used for the fur to make it look shinny. Th only thing I would suggest is the eyes look a tad bit tiny for the head, just a little. Otherwise, its perfect!

NinthWolf wrote:@MacGyver Thats a lovely drawing! What an adorable sheltie.I'd have to agree with zoker, the eyes do look a tad small for the face but the fur detail is simply fantastic, I love the different tones of shading you have put in to accentuate shadow in places and less in others.

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    @MacGyver- That drawing is adorable. It's very realistic, I like it a lot!


      Thank you all for the comments and especially for the critique as well! I'll be sure to pay special attention to the eyes the next time. c: Thanks again!
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Re: The Artist Army

Postby vanitas. » Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:25 pm

@Stride
Arms usually are half way your thighs, and I believe legs should be as long as the person upper torso, including their head.
I really like the hair though, also unless the char is normally bulky then maybe you should add a little shape to their waist. I'm not a pro at human art, sorry uwu

I need help with Equine Anatomy~
The style should be cartoon-ish, I don't want it to look too realistic but I'd love help with muscles and how to correctly draw the rest of the body, so redlining is appreciated

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I believe the snout/muzzle is too long but again, don't want it to look too realistic

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Re: The Artist Army

Postby santinel » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:43 am

@iamthephonebook; I did a redline for you, took me longer than it should've, sorry!

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Basically, the biggest reason the left side of the face looks wrong to you is because the corner of the mouth is too high up. I made a line to make it clearer c:
There's really not much else to pick on, you have a pretty good understanding of the anatomy, you just need a couple hundred more drawings behind you.
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Re: The Artist Army

Postby EmberWolf » Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:37 am

@Sasha~Chibi- Alright here we go! Your drawing is very cute but even if you go for a cartoonish style, anatomy is still very important.
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Starting with the red line over the original- basically, your snout/muzzle was not long enough, even though you think it is too long. Horses have reeeally long faces. Otherwise, that joke of the guy who tells the horse "why the long face?" wouldn't work (har-har attempt at humor). The cheek is way too far back, and so is the chin. The mouth should not open past the chin. You already have the basic horse head shape down- flat on top, on the bottom theres the bump for the chin, flat, then a bump thing for the cheek. Now you just have to proportion them correctly. Your neck is also a bit thin and horses cannot move their head inwards toward their neck that much, so I'd move the neck back or the head out a little bit.

Next, the red horse face on the top right. I did that to show the muscles, which you asked for help on. I kind of did basic outlines of the major muscles. For example, the neck normally has three distinct lines on it- especially the lowest one. The head is a lot of flat planes, because the muscles are not very thick. But between the chin/mouth and the cheek, there are some important muscles (two that you can normally see easily under the skin) that move the jaw. Large muscle for nostrils, muscles for the eyelids, muscles around mouth, etc.. I suggest looking up some horse muscle diagrams for more detail and accuracy ^u^

Below that is the purple skull. I included the skull to show one thing in particular- your horse has too many teeth. Horses have a row of incisors at the way front, but between that and the molars in the back, there is nothing (on some horses, some "wolf" or canine teeth in between, but only ever one pair on the top and bottom that are small, but those you wouldn't be able to see anyways). So if a horse had its mouth open very wide (like this horse yawning), you would only see the incisors and then just gums- no teeth.

Below the skull is just a basic horse sketch since you asked for help with the rest of the body. This is what I use- I start with the green one, as a really basic horse skeleton, where the circles are joints and the lines are bones (the big circle is the ribs), then flesh it out with the red. Some things to note- the blue lines are showing that certain things are at the same height when the horse is standing. The withers (top of the shoulders) should be at the same height as the top of the hindquarters. The elbow of the horse (right at the stomach) should be at the same height as the knee (also at the stomach, in the back). Same for the joints in the middle, and the joints on the bottom of the legs.

Lastly, some sketchy "cartoony" heads. Something being "cartoony" has some sort of exaggerated feature- whether it be really small limbs and a big head, or shortening/lengthening something in the body. However, the proper anatomy can still be there. Even though the face is shortened, the mouth still does not go past the chin, the cheek doesn't go too far into the neck, etc..

And I think that's it. I hope this helped you ^u^ as always I suggest looking at lots of reference images/videos for skeletons, muscles, whatever else, even if you aren't doing it in a realistic style. You already have a great start, so I think with a bit of adjusting, it will look awesome ouo
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