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Re: The Demand Fighters! Post Away!

Postby DarlinKitten » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:35 am

I like this topic, and that you're trying to help fight something you find unfair, but I have to state this point. :)

How many of you have overpaid for a dream pet, or have had someone overpay for a dream pet? When you own a store, and you sell different brands of an item, but one brand is specifically popular, you're going to get more for it, because a lot more people want it, right? Well, the same goes for demand on CS. Without demand, not everything would be as rare as it is. Everyone on CS will have their personal preference. So, when you say you wouldn't trade an August lion for a non tag, would you really do it? IF in the rare occurrence someone was willing to pay that, even when the whole lion craze happened, you would most likely take the trade because of the value. If you don't, you are just settling for less... Now who wants less of something that they could get more of? Would you rather have one cookie, or two? One bathroom, or four bathrooms? I know, a weird comparison, but you would want more than less. And if someone was willing to pay for it, I say let them make the mistake. HOWEVER, when you are auctioning a pet, such as a Shima longtail, and add ridiculous boosters, let alone autos, for it, that's when people think their pet is all that and a bag of chips and won't be able to get rid of it. That's basically them feeding the demand they think is there. I don't have anything against demand, really. I just figured maybe you guys can see this side of the arguement. :)
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Re: The Demand Fighters! Post Away!

Postby Azuri » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:36 am

RiverFawn wrote:
BlizzardClaw wrote:
RiverFawn wrote:I have to quantity auction mine because people think it has bad demand.


if you are willing to trade down the demand is great!!! if you are willing to trade up, well every one who wants one has one

I remember when i traded for a raven, they said a grinner and 15 rares was a fair trade

this was also the person who said a grinner was fair for a shima longtail

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On the bright side, I may end up getting some really great pets through this.


lucky for me i got my shima for free, someone just gifted him to me
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Re: The Demand Fighters! Post Away!

Postby Azuri » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:37 am

Darkitten wrote:I like this topic, and that you're trying to help fight something you find unfair, but I have to state this point. :)

How many of you have overpaid for a dream pet, or have had someone overpay for a dream pet? When you own a store, and you sell different brands of an item, but one brand is specifically popular, you're going to get more for it, because a lot more people want it, right? Well, the same goes for demand on CS. Without demand, not everything would be as rare as it is. Everyone on CS will have their personal preference. So, when you say you wouldn't trade an August lion for a non tag, would you really do it? IF in the rare occurrence someone was willing to pay that, even when the whole lion craze happened, you would most likely take the trade because of the value. If you don't, you are just settling for less... Now who wants less of something that they could get more of? Would you rather have one cookie, or two? One bathroom, or four bathrooms? I know, a weird comparison, but you would want more than less. And if someone was willing to pay for it, I say let them make the mistake. HOWEVER, when you are auctioning a pet, such as a Shima longtail, and add ridiculous boosters, let alone autos, for it, that's when people think their pet is all that and a bag of chips and won't be able to get rid of it. That's basically them feeding the demand they think is there. I don't have anything against demand, really. I just figured maybe you guys can see this side of the arguement. :)



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I'm here because i am against double demand, the list factures in Demand so a BMD is not worth a main list, demand runs trades, but double demand is greedy, I understand getting the best value for a pet, but expecting a main list for a mid sept, or a main list for a pps is rude to the people who don't have main list pets, it excludes a group of people
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Re: The Demand Fighters! Post Away!

Postby Haru » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:39 am

BlizzardClaw wrote:
grinners have great demand in auctions, i dont understand where the rumor that they have bad demand came from


That's not a rumour. (Although I didn't try to auction it, just went for straight trading it.) For example:

Trade 1 was cancelled with "I'm not fond of grinners, sorry."

Trade 2 was edited to this with message "Sorry, I can only offer a trade down for a Grinner.", and then cancelled with "Sorry, Grinners are very hard to trade--I've had a few and I always had to trade down at a loss. The leopard seems to have decent demand. I've received several offers and I've only had it for an hour."

Trade 3 was cancelled with "Sorry, I'm trading these for Aywas stuff."

The rest was never answered to, and got auto-cancelled after that one person accepted the trade.
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Re: The Demand Fighters! Post Away!

Postby DarlinKitten » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:47 am

BlizzardClaw wrote:
my opinon:
I'm here because i am against double demand, the list factures in Demand so a BMD is not worth a main list, demand runs trades, but double demand is greedy, I understand getting the best value for a pet, but expecting a main list for a mid sept, or a main list for a pps is rude to the people who don't have main list pets, it excludes a group of people


Yes, but because of rarity, they can't factor in all of it, otherwise the BMD and the ravendog wouldn't be where they are.
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Re: The Demand Fighters! Post Away!

Postby Azuri » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:53 am

Darkitten wrote:
BlizzardClaw wrote:
my opinon:
I'm here because i am against double demand, the list factures in Demand so a BMD is not worth a main list, demand runs trades, but double demand is greedy, I understand getting the best value for a pet, but expecting a main list for a mid sept, or a main list for a pps is rude to the people who don't have main list pets, it excludes a group of people


Yes, but because of rarity, they can't factor in all of it, otherwise the BMD and the ravendog wouldn't be where they are.


that is why they are in different spots on the list Rarity is not the same as demand,

what i am saying is that i hate the double demand, just because someone some were payed a main list for a BMD does not mean that everyone will, nor do i "have to" (part of a message from a user) the list facturs demand in so it should be repected as such

Just because the PPS lion, Raven and BMD are all VR they are not equall, PPS is non-list, Raven is advent, and BMD is sept. none are worth an UR pet

I find it very rude to the people that took the time to make the list to help people discover fair trades, when it is ignored completely

I have no problem paying fairly, or even overpaying with a person who respects the list
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Re: The Demand Fighters! Post Away!

Postby tacocat. » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:55 am

Darkitten wrote:I like this topic, and that you're trying to help fight something you find unfair, but I have to state this point. :)

How many of you have overpaid for a dream pet, or have had someone overpay for a dream pet? When you own a store, and you sell different brands of an item, but one brand is specifically popular, you're going to get more for it, because a lot more people want it, right? Well, the same goes for demand on CS. Without demand, not everything would be as rare as it is. Everyone on CS will have their personal preference. So, when you say you wouldn't trade an August lion for a non tag, would you really do it? IF in the rare occurrence someone was willing to pay that, even when the whole lion craze happened, you would most likely take the trade because of the value. If you don't, you are just settling for less... Now who wants less of something that they could get more of? Would you rather have one cookie, or two? One bathroom, or four bathrooms? I know, a weird comparison, but you would want more than less. And if someone was willing to pay for it, I say let them make the mistake. HOWEVER, when you are auctioning a pet, such as a Shima longtail, and add ridiculous boosters, let alone autos, for it, that's when people think their pet is all that and a bag of chips and won't be able to get rid of it. That's basically them feeding the demand they think is there. I don't have anything against demand, really. I just figured maybe you guys can see this side of the arguement. :)

(Sorry, I'd give a more thourough explaination, but I broke my wrist and it's really hard for me to type)

1) Yes, I've overpaid for pets and have traded pets for overpay. I'm not against minor overpay, but going over-the-top makes demand a lot worse, not just one-more-uncommon or one-more-tier worse.
2) Acctually, if I was lucky enough to have an August lion, I would not trade it for so much overpay because then I would be making it a lot harder to get another or for others to trade for it. (You ARE right about the cookies though :))

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Re: The Demand Fighters! Post Away!

Postby DarlinKitten » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:01 pm

BlizzardClaw wrote:
that is why they are in different spots on the list Rarity is not the same as demand,

what i am saying is that i hate the double demand, just because someone some were payed a main list for a BMD does not mean that everyone will, nor do i "have to" (part of a message from a user) the list facturs demand in so it should be repected as such

Just because the PPS lion, Raven and BMD are all VR they are not equall, PPS is non-list, Raven is advent, and BMD is sept. none are worth an UR pet

I find it very rude to the people that took the time to make the list to help people discover fair trades, when it is ignored completely

I have no problem paying fairly, or even overpaying with a person who respects the list


Calm down, this thread is for discussing from both sides. Is it not?

I know not everyone will, that's why I say take the best offer you can get. If you get offered a red x for a BMD, and another trade including a skeleton pps, take the one you like the best. Obviously, you can get more because they offered it.

The list is NOT ignored. And because you think it's rude that people "disrespect" the list in your opinion, isn't the same in others. Demand is something people work harder for. If people didn't like a specific pet more than another, the game wouldn't be as much of a challenge, and therefore not as fun. I agree though double demand is unfair.

When you say you don't mind trading fairly or overpaying with someone who respects the list, you must know that just because you value a pet a certain way, doesn't mean they will. The list is a guide. Not a bible.
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Re: The Demand Fighters! Post Away!

Postby tacocat. » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:04 pm

Please calm down everyone, we are here to discuss both sides :)

I can see it both ways, but I lean towards trying to get it under control as best as we can. My previous post:
RiverFawn wrote:(Sorry, I'd give a more thourough explaination, but I broke my wrist and it's really hard for me to type)

1) Yes, I've overpaid for pets and have traded pets for overpay. I'm not against minor overpay, but going over-the-top makes demand a lot worse, not just one-more-uncommon or one-more-tier worse.
2) Acctually, if I was lucky enough to have an August lion, I would not trade it for so much overpay because then I would be making it a lot harder to get another or for others to trade for it. (You ARE right about the cookies though )

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